How would Roy Jones be remembered if he retired after the first Tarver fight?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yeah, well I guess that whole subject is debatable.

My point is regardless of how anyone feels that's how the public are going to view him.

In my eyes Roy Jones is one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen.

It shouldn't be. Do you judge a movie based on just the climax of it?

He was a beauty to watch but apart from some wins, his resume isn't that great. I really wish he did have an atg resume but he doesn't.

[IronDanHamza]

It shouldn't be. Do you judge a movie based on just the climax of it?

He was a beauty to watch but apart from some wins, his resume isn't that great. I really wish he did have an atg resume but he doesn't.

May aswell agree to disagree on this one.

[AddiX]

would and do you hold the second tarver fight and the johnson KO against him?

He was favourite in both.

Those are legit loses. He may of been the favorite but no one knew just how much of a toll going up and than right back down in weight Would put on his body.

Neurologically, his body fell apart from that.

Bernard Hopkins said he knew the same thing would happen when he fought Tarvar, and Tarvar was coming off bulking up for Rocky. That's why Hop moved up to fight him.

[AddiX]

It shouldn't be. Do you judge a movie based on just the climax of it?

He was a beauty to watch but apart from some wins, his resume isn't that great. I really wish he did have an atg resume but he doesn't.

He destroyed a lot of top ranked guys, and beat James Toney and Bhop. Those may of not been megafights at the time but he stbest boat both of them.

Toney was one of active, best pfp fighters in the world at that time.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

It shouldn't be. Do you judge a movie based on just the climax of it?

He was a beauty to watch but apart from some wins, his resume isn't that great. I really wish he did have an atg resume but he doesn't.

you dont judge a great movie based on a failed sequel...that's how i look at it


at their absolute best, that's where i gauge fighters

just like i dont hold Tito's loss against Roy when he came back, i dont weigh these Roy losses that heavily

[Mr.Fantastic]

He destroyed a lot of top ranked guys, and beat James Toney and Bhop. Those may of not been megafights at the time but he stbest boat both of them.

Toney was one of active, best pfp fighters in the world at that time.

I know what he did but when you look at great fighters with great resumes and then look at Jones, you could seriously tell the difference.

you dont judge a great movie based on a failed sequel...that's how i look at it


at their absolute best, that's where i gauge fighters

just like i dont hold Tito's loss against Roy when he came back, i dont weigh these Roy losses that heavily

It should. The name is still attached to the property.

So if Jones were to pull a miracle out of his ass and win THE CW championship of the world, it shouldn't count for him then? That's double standards from the way I look at it.


I respect you three great posters(Addix,you, & Iron) and your opinions but I don't agree with this opinion.

[therealpugilist]

His wins weren't magically wiped out when he finally lost at 35 years old. I remember him now as I did then -- as the P4P baddest on the planet.

Folks talking about his legacy is in danger clearly never watched him back then. They don't know about the mystique. You can't get that from YouTube highlights.

growing up, it wasn't about if Roy was gonna win...it was how was he gonna win

this guy was such an athlete, he played a semi pro basketball game the day he defended his world title against future champion Eric Lucas who by no means was a scrub

This guy really made good and great fighters look like nobodies in his prime and if you didn't see it live, its no the same mystique as you said



People called Roy boring, not because of his style or because he wasn't getting knockouts, it was because he hit fighters with 3, 4 even 7 punch combos and would be across the other side of the ring before you could say " Yall Mustve Forgot"


Personally, this isn't even resume based because the guy beat like 20 champions and at least half a dozen hall of famers



Roy Jones is the greatest boxer Ive ever seen and is the G.O.A.T. to me.....everyone is entitled to their own opinion

[soul_survivor]

Those are legit loses. He may of been the favorite but no one knew just how much of a toll going up and than right back down in weight Would put on his body.

Neurologically, his body fell apart from that.

Bernard Hopkins said he knew the same thing would happen when he fought Tarvar, and Tarvar was coming off bulking up for Rocky. That's why Hop moved up to fight him.

So you do hold the losses against him?

Plus what do you mean by neurologically his body fell apart? It doesn't make sense, as he seems to be doing pretty well from a neurological stand point.

I've always been skeptical about the whole "Roy lost too much weight too quick"...he didn't he had a near 7 month gap between heavy and light heavy although I admit he didn't look at his best at the weigh in (from memory ,I may be wrong). However, it wasn't size or lack of size or a badly tuned body that got Roy, i twas the fact that he couldn't pull his usual **** with Tarver, who countered beautifully all night long.

In the second fight, Tarver just picked up where he left off, once again countering effectively and limiting his offense. No doubt Jones' reflexes had slowed bu the was far from a shot fighter but he couldn't deal with a peak, well trainer fighter, something Jones had not faced in years. It was unusual for him, to go from fighting losers or has beens or middling heavyweights to fighting a legitimate guy at the time.

He looked human because that's just what he was when he reflexes slowed even by a tenth of a second. No chin, no basic technique and little grit.

It's what makes me sad about Jones, he never had those types of tough, hard nights in his youth, because of a lack of opponents, or bad management or just the plain fact he was the best in a mediocre lhw division, he ad and shoulders above everyone else.

Other fighters, guys like Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Pep et al, when their reflexes and natural gifts diminished, they had other tools to rely on, Jones never did. It's what separated the truly great from the very good.