How would Roy Jones be remembered if he retired after the first Tarver fight?

[M Bison]

No one will hold his late part of his career against him.

Not unless there fcking morons at least.

[soul_survivor]

No one will hold his late part of his career against him.

Not unless there fcking morons at least.

would and do you hold the second tarver fight and the johnson KO against him?

He was favourite in both.

[Tedkidlewis]

You could argue that he would be regarded higher because now when matching Roy Jones up with fighters before or after him in a mythical matchup, people wil always use the arguement "if so and so caught him, it would be over". It's not that he lost past his best but the way that he's lost since the Tarver fight, which is a shame. For instance Robinson lost 19 fights, most of which way past his best but he was only stopped once. Many fighters lost past their bests but could it be argued that when Jones fought beyond the Tarver fight a weakness became apparent that we were not aware of?

[soul_survivor]

Cause people will only judge a boxer by his wonder years. Shouldn't be like that. If that's the case, I'd be preaching Oscar should only have 3/4 losses or any other of my favorite boxers but I don't.

I agree, it shouldn't just be the wonder years but we shouldn't use the well post-prime/close to shot/ shot years against a fighter or any other sportsman either.

I still hold the following two Tarver fights and the Johnson debacle against Roy because he wasn't yet shot, not quite prime but far from a lost cause. He got beaten by two guys who wanted it more and two guys who could punch well enough to crack that china Jones has, probably the worst chin of any ATG fighter.

[FlatLine]

I've heard from a few different people that he's made some bad business investments and lost a lot of money as a result plus he's got some major tax issues so he literally needs to fight for the money. That's why he keeps fighting apparently, he's basically got no choice.

But I guess if that is the real reason (which I can't completely confirm) then he's lucky that he's Roy Jones and can still earn some decent money from the sport because he might be in serious financial trouble if he couldn't do that and if he didn't make a name for himself when he was younger.

[buge]

if you were a fan of his in the mid 90s til his mid 2000s downfall....people wanted to see the man lose

America cant relate to a fighter who is boastful, doesn't get hit often and makes it look easy


He wasn't supposed to make hall of famers like Toney, McCallum, Hopkins, Virgil Hill look like easy work, yet he did as he is the only fighter I've seen go fights without losing a round....that's why the first Tarver fight was a shock and he was visibly drained, muscle loss and complexion out of wack

you never saw Vitali Klitschko, I guess

[Guest]

How did everyone score the first Tarver fight? I had The Duke commenting on the version I saw, and he swayed me that Tarver won it and was robbed.

I agree that Royston looked unbeatable when he was bashing up refuse collectors on ripped fuel... I think what's damaged his legacy more than anything else, something no one else has picked up on, is when he took that photo of his cock.

I'd expected a black samba, and instead was confronted with a charcoal penny whistle. I think all of his close wins should be retroactively given to the opponent just becaue he's not packing.

[soul_survivor]

How did everyone score the first Tarver fight? I had The Duke commenting on the version I saw, and he swayed me that Tarver won it and was robbed.

I agree that Royston looked unbeatable when he was bashing up refuse collectors on ripped fuel... I think what's damaged his legacy more than anything else, something no one else has picked up on, is when he took that photo of his cock.

I'd expected a black samba, and instead was confronted with a charcoal penny whistle. I think all of his close wins should be retroactively given to the opponent just becaue he's not packing.

what did I just read???

Keeping it with the boxing, I haven't seen the Tarver fight in a long, long time but I always felt Jones won by a round or 2 BUT it could have gone the other way. No robbery though.

[IronDanHamza]

Cause people will only judge a boxer by his wonder years. Shouldn't be like that. If that's the case, I'd be preaching Oscar should only have 3/4 losses or any other of my favorite boxers but I don't.

Yeah, well I guess that whole subject is debatable.

My point is regardless of how anyone feels that's how the public are going to view him.

In my eyes Roy Jones is one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen.

[Fury4daWIN]

Ideally losses a fighter sustained while miles past their prime shouldn't affect what a fighter achieved in their heyday, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that. A huge part of any ATG's legacy (in sport, music or whathaveyou) is based on the mystique that they are untouchable in their field, and always will be. Think of all the legends that went out at the top of their game, and became immortalised as a result. Would anyone think of Jimi Hendrix in the same way if he hadn't died young but lived to become a shadow of himself well into his seventies? Jones's prime can never be taken away from him, but that mystique he once had has now been tainted beyond repair.