Comments Thread For: K. Porter: Anyone Seen Thurman? We Can't Find Him!

[Mike_R]

Thurman and Porter is what I would prefer to see over Thurman vs. Khan but both are top notch fights. If either one comes off I'll be watching, I think Porter deserves it more though.

I think Khan is a great offensive fighter but the way he goes about his business with making fights is pretty aggravating. I don't think Khan deserves huge fights more than a lot of these other guys and he's had that chip on his shoulder for years now.

[zzat]

Haymon had Vernon Forest murdered & Paul Williams paralyzed for crossing him. He has the documents to prove it.

Haymon did 9/11. He was trying to help give Tito more time to prepare cuz he came into camp outta shape for the Bhop fight &/or to throw off Bhop. Haymon & King mad cool (King was just a promoter on a PBC last month) & Haymon was trying to help out King. Didn't work out, but you don't win if you don't try.

Waiiiiiiiiiiit a minute. Maybe I didn't get the joke.
These are serious allegations.

Can you prove any of this?
Have you seen the documents?
Can we see them?
Why is Williams not following this up if he has proof?

[Outwest Exp 355]

Haymon had Vernon Forest murdered & Paul Williams paralyzed for crossing him. He has the documents to prove it.

Haymon did 9/11. He was trying to help give Tito more time to prepare cuz he came into camp outta shape for the Bhop fight &/or to throw off Bhop. Haymon & King mad cool (King was just a promoter on a PBC last month) & Haymon was trying to help out King. Didn't work out, but you don't win if you don't try.

Tito Santana???

[bigdunny1]

The fight is done. Calm down people it's on hold because Haymon is trying to figure out which network to air it on. PBC tanking in TV ratings has lost more money then they anticipated and he's got his A list fighters on hold or shipping them back to Showtime to get them to pay the purses instead of PBC investors. Jacobs/Quillin was originally supposed to be on PBC then moved to Showtime because the purses were too much money.

Also if the fight does end up being pushed from PBC to Showtime the recent TV ratings for the Jacobs/Quillin fight might impact how much Porter and Thurman get paid. Showtime just paid Jacobs and quillin 1.5mil each for a fight that drew only 275K viewers and filled less then half of the arena only 8k in attendance. A complete disaster and waste of money for showtime for a fight that they overpaid and bid against themselves. No other network would pay 1.5mil for those guys because you lose money and don't turn a profit. And you can't put this on PPV because neither guy has proven to be a big draw. Thurman or Porter might have to take a paycut from what they have been making in previous PBC mismatch fights. At some point these PBC inflated purses will have to go down because this model Haymon has created can't sustain itself.

[bigdunny1]

I like how people alway pull out the Al Haymon excuse, Thurman is a fighter and he was very vocal with or without Al Haymon, he can't still speak no one is gagging him, let's see what he has to say, then we can take it from there, the fact that he is silent makes him look like he does not want the fight. Am sure if Porter was Amir Khan now "One time" would be vocal and he wouldn't be "Some times".

Haymon fighters are not allowed to publicly criticize Haymon it's actually written in the contracts he makes them sign. So if the fight is on hold because of Haymon it's not like Thurman can just come out and throw Haymon under the bus that would be violating his contract. Porter can't come out and bash Haymon either he is taking shots at Thurman when he knows Haymon is calling all the shots not Thurman.

[Rip Chudd]

Waiiiiiiiiiiit a minute. Maybe I didn't get the joke.
These are serious allegations.

Can you prove any of this?
Have you seen the documents?
Can we see them?
Why is Williams not following this up if he has proof?

[Rudiamonds]

The fight is done. Calm down people it's on hold because Haymon is trying to figure out which network to air it on. PBC tanking in TV ratings has lost more money then they anticipated and he's got his A list fighters on hold or shipping them back to Showtime to get them to pay the purses instead of PBC investors. Jacobs/Quillin was originally supposed to be on PBC then moved to Showtime because the purses were too much money.

Also if the fight does end up being pushed from PBC to Showtime the recent TV ratings for the Jacobs/Quillin fight might impact how much Porter and Thurman get paid. Showtime just paid Jacobs and quillin 1.5mil each for a fight that drew only 275K viewers and filled less then half of the arena only 8k in attendance. A complete disaster and waste of money for showtime for a fight that they overpaid and bid against themselves. No other network would pay 1.5mil for those guys because you lose money and don't turn a profit. And you can't put this on PPV because neither guy has proven to be a big draw. Thurman or Porter might have to take a paycut from what they have been making in previous PBC mismatch fights. At some point these PBC inflated purses will have to go down because this model Haymon has created can't sustain itself.

Hmmm very good points

[The Problem Child]

SMFH. Thurman is a ****ing coward. Inside and outside the ring. No balls at all, just talk. Low life scum.

[nycsmooth]

He was hurt but now???mayb he' seen 2 much of Spence & some other hungry guys out there...another guy like Kirk w/2 much inactivity...

[Bronx2245]

The fight is done. Calm down people it's on hold because Haymon is trying to figure out which network to air it on. PBC tanking in TV ratings has lost more money then they anticipated and he's got his A list fighters on hold or shipping them back to Showtime to get them to pay the purses instead of PBC investors. Jacobs/Quillin was originally supposed to be on PBC then moved to Showtime because the purses were too much money.

Also if the fight does end up being pushed from PBC to Showtime the recent TV ratings for the Jacobs/Quillin fight might impact how much Porter and Thurman get paid. Showtime just paid Jacobs and quillin 1.5mil each for a fight that drew only 275K viewers and filled less then half of the arena only 8k in attendance. A complete disaster and waste of money for showtime for a fight that they overpaid and bid against themselves. No other network would pay 1.5mil for those guys because you lose money and don't turn a profit. And you can't put this on PPV because neither guy has proven to be a big draw. Thurman or Porter might have to take a paycut from what they have been making in previous PBC mismatch fights. At some point these PBC inflated purses will have to go down because this model Haymon has created can't sustain itself.

Very good post! I sincerely hope the Haymon model is successful, because Haymon fighters are happy financially, and not getting robbed by Don King and Bob Arum:

Why Premier Boxing Champions is Essential to Boxing’s Future

Forget Haymon, his projects, and even the individual fighters that make up PBC, the idea behind this effort is boxing’s only chance at true reform and a mainstream resurgence (at least to a degree).

A successful PBC-style business model would change the power structure of the sport and take bouts directly to the networks, bypassing, to a great degree, the promoters, sanctioning bodies, and other powerbrokers in the sport, who are responsible for much of what is wrong with the business today. With legitimate businessmen interested in boxing, the only interest will be in making fights that people want to see. Most of the old guard shady practices used to consolidate power and keep the sport from actually being run as a sport would simply have no reason to exist anymore. A promoter will derive his power from putting on the best shows, not from protecting and elevating an exclusive stable of fighters under his full control.

But unless boxing can actually prove itself as a viable business, the heavy hitters at the corporate level won’t be interested. And this is where Haymon and PBC come in.

Nobody else is making a play to attract this “legitimate” money interest and, honestly, nobody else ever will. Very few outsiders are shrewd enough to work their way into power within the tightly-guarded boxing scene and those who do are eventually co-opted into the same corrupt system and/or systematically eliminated by the old guard.

Haymon, however, despite his own questionable dealings and dubious deeds, has a chance at making this play to the mainstream happen. If he can show boxing to be a profitable sport, capable of being re-introduced to the mainstream, the heavy-hitters with billions at their disposal will be more likely to adopt it and, consequently, protect it from the shenanigans that have always traditionally held the sport back.

So, whether you like Haymon and what he’s doing or not, his attempts at changing the power structure of the sport are essential to the long-term health of the business. The current premium cable model is slowly strangling the life from the sport, turning boxing more and more into a micro-niche sport and actively preventing many of the biggest fights from ever happening.

http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...champions.html