Tyson Fury vs. Joe Frazier

[M Bison]

If Fury doesn't put any more effort in than he did vs Wlad, Frazier KOs him.

Yeah the accuracy of both guys at the weekend was woeful, can't let a good inside fighter throw away whilst you roll your shoulder getting hit - Fury isn't Mayweather he is most definitely a hittable guy.

I hope he fights a Brit in 2016 - Haye or Joshua/Whyte

[Tom Cruise]

Frazier kills him.

Fury is better than he looks, he isnt better than Frazier.

People always underestimate Frazier in fantasy matchups. He was an extremely awkward fighter to deal with. His bob weave made him extremely short and forced taller fighters to lean down to reach him, exposing their chin. His big left hooks came out of nowhere and were very difficult to time due to the 'off rhythm' way he threw them.

Fury is a good fighter. He had a perfect gameplan to fight Wlad, kind of a basic, less polished version of Muhammad Ali's game with the constant jabs, feints, lateral movement and clinching when it was needed. Frazier beat (and took to hell in fight 3) the actual Muhammad Ali.

Frazier also had one of the greatest trainers and tacticians of all time in his corner

[Dr. Uncle]

Frazier kills him.

Fury is better than he looks, he isnt better than Frazier.

People always underestimate Frazier in fantasy matchups. He was an extremely awkward fighter to deal with. His bob weave made him extremely short and forced taller fighters to lean down to reach him, exposing their chin. His big left hooks came out of nowhere and were very difficult to time due to the 'off rhythm' way he threw them.

Fury is a good fighter. He had a perfect gameplan to fight Wlad, kind of a basic, less polished version of Muhammad Ali's game with the constant jabs, feints, lateral movement and clinching when it was needed. Frazier beat (and took to hell in fight 3) the actual Muhammad Ali.

Frazier also had one of the greatest trainers and tacticians of all time in his corner

But Ali didn't have Fury's size advantage, weight advantage or defensive advantage. Fury has looked untouchable since he improved from the Cunningham fight. Chisora, Hammer and Klitschko couldn't touch him.

[Ray-boom]

Frazier easy..

Frazier would break Fury down to the body and ko Fury by round 5. Frazier to intense to quick too powerful for Fury. I like Fury and always had hopes for him, but prime Joe Frazier verse the version of Fury no way Fury wins.

I do think Fury beats Wilder , and Jennings would be a great fight..

[Dr. Uncle]

Frazier would break Fury down to the body and ko Fury by round 5. Frazier to intense to quick too powerful for Fury. I like Fury and always had hopes for him, but prime Joe Frazier verse the version of Fury no way.

I do think Fury beats Wilder , and Jennings would be a great fight..

He wouldn't be able to get close to Fury much of the time. But Frazier does have a chance.

[Tom Cruise]

But Ali didn't have Fury's size advantage, weight advantage or defensive advantage. Fury has looked untouchable since he improved from the Cunningham fight. Chisora, Hammer and Klitschko couldn't touch him.

Yep Fury has a better defence than Ali

Fury size advantage can only take him so far. For all his size he is not a good puncher, he doesnt have a particularly good chin and his control of range is patchy. He is strong inside, but how long can he get away with clinching Frazier to stop him working(assuming a fair and impartial ref)?

Frazier makes his height an advantage by dipping his 5'11 frame even lower. It forces taller opponents to reach down and expose their chin. Fury's height isnt the advantage you think it is. His reach is only an advantage while the fight is on the outside, and Frazier is more than capable of taking that range away.

Edit: Incase people are confised by my sig with what I'm saying. Im criticising Fury on an all time level comparing him to guys who 50 years later are still talked about as ATGs. He's legit in this current era and I like him as a fighter.

[M Bison]

But Ali didn't have Fury's size advantage, weight advantage or defensive advantage. Fury has looked untouchable since he improved from the Cunningham fight. Chisora, Hammer and Klitschko couldn't touch him.

Did you see Fury face after the fight that he supposedly never got hit?
The sheer fact his face is marked up a bit says it all, neither men were throwing accurately and I don't agree with Fury defense being rated that highly as you might have him.

[Dr. Uncle]

Yep Fury has a better defence than Ali

Fury size advantage can only take him so far. For all his size he is not a good puncher, he doesnt have a particularly good chin and his control of range is patchy. He is strong inside, but how long can he get away with clinching Frazier to stop him working(assuming a fair and impartial ref)?

Frazier makes his height an advantage by dipping his 5'11 frame even lower. It forces taller opponents to reach down and expose their chin. Fury's height isnt the advantage you think it is. His reach is only an advantage while the fight is on the outside, and Frazier is more than capable of taking that range away.

Ali had an okay defense, but not great, he often got caught by wild shots. Fury has been untouchable in his last 3 fights. Yes, I think it's fair to say that Fury, with his size, speed and skills, is better defensively than Ali. Frazier would have a very hard time hurting him and while Fury is not a great puncher, he is a harder puncher than Ali was. He could definitely hurt Frazier.

[soul_survivor]

Frazier was very quick, very good head movement and had one of the best left hooks ever. But Fury is so big and his arms so long. I'm not sure how Frazier's power would travel such a height, would it still be effective?

Fury often throws arm punches and his reflexes aren't as quick as he thinks they are. Smaller guys have knocked him down and guys with less power, i.e. Cunningham. None of the guys Fury has faced have that combination of speed and power.

This is a tougher call than I anticipated. If Fury manages to keep it at range ,he wins. Frazier gets in too close and starts landing body-head combos, fury is out.

[SalimShady1212]

Ali had an okay defense, but not great, he often got caught by wild shots. Fury has been untouchable in his last 3 fights. Yes, I think it's fair to say that Fury, with his size, speed and skills, is better defensively than Ali. Frazier would have a very hard time hurting him and while Fury is not a great puncher, he is a harder puncher than Ali was. He could definitely hurt Frazier.

Who has Fury fought in his last three fights? Ali often looked untouchable against lower calibre opposition. Chisora is a poor mas Frazier, Fury could very well win a decision but throw back fighters are used to fighting 15 high pace rounds too. A common sparring partner of Frazier, Norton and Foreman said no one hit him harder than Frazier did with a body shot and it was the only time he dropped. Video was on ESNEWS last week.