"Wladimir was always a coward at heart" true or false?

[bojangles1987]

He's not a coward at all, he's just incredibly limited. He made a hell of a career of the things he dd well, but he did very few things well and relied on his superior size, athleticism, and cheating to carry him. Whenever he couldn't just do the things he wanted to do, he had no answers and looked bad.

[M Bison]

He's not a coward at all, he's just incredibly limited. He made a hell of a career of the things he dd well, but he did very few things well and relied on his superior size, athleticism, and cheating to carry him. Whenever he couldn't just do the things he wanted to do, he had no answers and looked bad.

So let me get this straight...

Joe Louis at 39 wasn't past his prime and Rocky Marciano beat the best version of him or are you going to twist your words to suit your criteria?

[LacedUp]

So let me get this straight...

Joe Louis at 39 wasn't past his prime and Rocky Marciano beat the best version of him or are you going to twist your words to suit your criteria?

Haven't we heard from Klitschko fans the last whatever time that he's in the prime of his life?

I knew Klitschko fans could be salty little cheats, but dude. Fury beat him with ease - Don't take away credit from someone you thought was getting flattened.

[LacedUp]

In his defense he has a weak chin so he can't take the risks that other fighters can. Fury stunned him before the point deduction when he opened up.

But when your behind with numerous titles at stake you have to turn it up a notch.

Is Klitschko a top 10 ATG in your mind?

[removed]

Not at all, he just eventually came up against a better boxer.

[kiDynamite92]

Lol @ the video.

I agree with the gloves and the ring padding controversy. That ***** from team Klitschko was disgraceful.

Also agree with what he said about Klitschko not being gritty enough. He was getting completely outfoxed and didn't even take any risks, look at the difference from this performance to when Lewis faced Vitali and basically walked though his punches and ripped open his eye and caused the stoppage. Wlad did nothing.

And yes please don't ever give David Haye a shot. Let that loser work his way up.

[M Bison]

Haven't we heard from Klitschko fans the last whatever time that he's in the prime of his life?

I knew Klitschko fans could be salty little cheats, but dude. Fury beat him with ease - Don't take away credit from someone you thought was getting flattened.

He certainly didn't beat him with ease, he barely landed anything clean.

[Ryn0]

He's a front runner. Not a coward. He fought everyone in his division for years and dominated.

But today is the reason why I can't place him amongst the greatest heavyweights ever. No sense of urgency whatsoever.

Bit harsh, Ali was 36 when Spinks beat him and 38 in the Holmes fight. Joe Louis was 37 when he put in that performance against Marciano. Foreman was 28 in his loss vs. Young.

Liston was 34 when Ali KO'd him, Dempsey was only 31 during the first Tunney fight. Wlad is just shy of 40.

I'm not arguing whether Klitschko is an ATG heavy (IMO he clearly is at least top 15 minimum) but if this was Klitschko getting old and not trying plenty of better champions have had the 'lack of urgency' during their later careers, some in the middle of their careers! If the barometer for being a great comes down to grit, Mike Tyson doesn't even come close.

[-PBP-]

Is Klitschko a top 10 ATG in your mind?

In no order:

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Holyfield
Lewis
Dempsey
Johnson
Marciano

I think I can squeeze him in there.

[LacedUp]

In no order:

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Holyfield
Lewis
Dempsey
Johnson
Marciano

I think I can squeeze him in there.

Tyson over Wlad? or just about the same?

Frazier should be in that list.