I told you all that Fury would win easy & make Wlad look ******.

[Elroy1]

I think it is very plausible to suppose Wladimir is slowing down with age. But it could also be that he did not take Fury seriously and didn't believe he had to train for the particular game that Fury brought.

In essence, it could be that Wladimir suffered from the Lewis syndrome, whereby he showed up very lazy to the fight which cost Lewis 2 fights and multiple other struggles as well.

If Wladimir still has what it takes to take out a young lion like Fury, then I think he will be sufficiently inspired now to make the adjustments and get the job done.

All I am saying is that it's certainly plausible by the closeness of the fight that a slightly sharper Wlad would have got to Fury.

A rematch is highly desirable. If Wlad loses, he signs out with Fury his clear successor, if he wins, Fury was still the one to end his streak of dominance spanning over a decade and marks the first time ever that Wladimir Klitschko was ever really outboxed!

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I think it is very plausible to suppose Wladimir is slowing down with age. But it could also be that he did not take Fury seriously and didn't believe he had to train for the particular game that Fury brought.

In essence, it could be that Wladimir suffered from the Lewis syndrome, whereby he showed up very lazy to the fight which cost Lewis 2 fights and multiple other struggles as well.

If Wladimir still has what it takes to take out a young lion like Fury, then I think he will be sufficiently inspired now to make the adjustments and get the job done.

All I am saying is that it's certainly plausible by the closeness of the fight that a slightly sharper Wlad would have got to Fury.

A rematch is highly desirable. If Wlad loses, he signs out with Fury his clear successor, if he wins, Fury was still the one to end his streak of dominance spanning over a decade and marks the first time ever that Wladimir Klitschko was ever really outboxed!

If anyone deserves a rematch its Wladimir. However, Fury is ALL wrong for him, and if they fight again I'd expect Fury to knock him out.

[Elroy1]

I've been saying it for years. Nobody gave Tyson a prayer. Just crown me the king of NSB. Scott-Weiland, Szef, Elroy, where are you?

Yeah you are right.

I massively underestimated the *****.

You are far and away the candidate for that poofter LacedUp's "poster of the year" award

Definitely the most steeled supporter with the insight/foresight to match.

Heil Denium!

[sunny31]

None of them have posted since

They are hiding in the doldrums of obscure threads. Worst fans in NSB history, at the point they tried to convince me Eddie Chambers would school Frazier was the beginning of the end. I will bury them after this result.

In fact they will probably now try to convince us all that Fury is a 6ft 9inch Muhammad Ali, in there parallel universe he is.

[Elroy1]

If anyone deserves a rematch its Wladimir. However, Fury is ALL wrong for him, and if they fight again I'd expect Fury to knock him out.

And that's NOW a very likely scenario to me.

I believe in first principle reasoning. It was not clear to me before based on what I had seen of Fury, what he might be capable of but I believe in what I see and I seen Fury earn greatness.

I think this time it will be a more even prospect as far as who'll win and I will likely have Fury a slight favourite.

Wladimir might learn from this loss but Fury has also galvanised himself from it as well.

A Fury double victory would sign off the former champ into retirement and solidify him as the clear deserved successor.

I see Povetkin as the main foe of Fury now.

Wilder I see as a punch bag for Fury.

A comebacking David Haye might be a good fight too for Fury.

If Fury can put Wlad, Povetkin and Haye on his resume together, imagine that!!

[Elroy1]

They are hiding in the doldrums of obscure threads. Worst fans in NSB history, at the point they tried to convince me Eddie Chambers would school Frazier was the beginning of the end. I will bury them after this result.

In fact they will probably now try to convince us all that Fury is a 6ft 9inch Muhammad Ali, in there parallel universe he is.

I will tell you straight out now that Fury is a 6'9, 250lb version of Ali, better really!! Cause if you inflated Ali to that size he'd be nowhere near as good as Fury!

And Eddie Chambers would box Frazier's head in so badly, he'd never lose a round, barely get hit and probably even knock him out.

Don't use the excuse of people backing Klitschko over Fury, what was a very reasonable proposition, to promote ancient punch bags over modern elite boxers, on what grounds?

None of those favourites would pose any threat whatsoever.

It's unbelievable that nutbaggery finds its way into these threads!!

Your ****ting on both Wlad AND Fury here... You claim Wlad was a bum who was beaten by another bum in Fury therefore making Wlad an even bigger bum and so on.

You disrespect 12 years of dominance AND disrespect the new champs stunning victory in the same breathe you maggot!

[Elroy1]

None of them have posted since

Dude, I have been pretty good to Fury right through this entire saga, I defended him against the dudes referring to Cunningham KD's and self uppercuts and the like and I deterred anyone from calling him a bum.

Remember? You were claiming I was only saying Fury was good to make it a better win for Wlad right??

Sure I predicted a canvas KO victory from Wlad with a standard wearing down of the opponent and I was wrong.

If you look through the main thread I was straight onto Denium there to congratulate him and begin digesting crow.

You can see from my post history immediately.

This is not time for your compulsive lying disorder to start showing.

Everyone on that nut bags list, like Szef and Freedom have posted here and elsewhere since on the issue.

The only one I haven't seen yet is Scott.

He should get on here and man up for Denium and the other Fury strong holders, they deserve it.

Let's not get carried away there Pinnochio, YOU also predicted a Wlad victory did you not?

[hugh grant]

when the fight was first announced i also said Fury would beat Wlad. But as the fight drew closer, and reading everyone take the mick out of Fury and Wlad having extra time to prepare and then realizing it was in Germany, i kind of was confused as to who would win and in a few posts might even have suggested Wlad would win.

But at least i was right in my instincts that Fury would be too much. My only worry for Fury was he hadnt had a proper fight for a while and him being decked by cunningham worried me a bit too.

[sunny31]

I will tell you straight out now that Fury is a 6'9, 250lb version of Ali, better really!! Cause if you inflated Ali to that size he'd be nowhere near as good as Fury!

And Eddie Chambers would box Frazier's head in so badly, he'd never lose a round, barely get hit and probably even knock him out.

Don't use the excuse of people backing Klitschko over Fury, what was a very reasonable proposition, to promote ancient punch bags over modern elite boxers, on what grounds?

None of those favourites would pose any threat whatsoever.

It's unbelievable that nutbaggery finds its way into these threads!!

Your ****ting on both Wlad AND Fury here... You claim Wlad was a bum who was beaten by another bum in Fury therefore making Wlad an even bigger bum and so on.

You disrespect 12 years of dominance AND disrespect the new champs stunning victory in the same breathe you maggot!

Ha ha I rest my case. Pathetic.

Tyson Fury is a second tier heavyweight...at best.

He would be a gatekeeper in the 90's.

Wladimir Klitschko has not beat even one HOF'er...and now has lost to a second tier heavyweight. It hurts doesn't it?

What Wladimir Klitschko did was show great professionalism and concentration for a long unbeaten period in an extremely weak era. But has no versatility to his game and when he couldn't implement plan A he couldn't adapt at all, it has very little to do with his age, he is just not a versatile fighter. Tyson fury doesn't have the technique of Wladimir but he is more skilful and has more tools in terms of boxing, thats because he is a natural fighter. Wladimir is a talented athlete who has learned great technique and Manny taught him how to protect his chin, but he is not a natural fighter. He went out with a whimper in a fight he was behind in, he didn't let it hang out, this also hurts his legacy.

[Elroy1]

Ha ha I rest my case. Pathetic.

Tyson Fury is a second tier heavyweight...at best.

He would be a gatekeeper in the 90's.

Wladimir Klitschko has not beat even one HOF'er...and now has lost to a second tier heavyweight. It hurts doesn't it?

What Wladimir Klitschko did was show great professionalism and concentration for a long unbeaten period in an extremely weak era. But has no versatility to his game and when he couldn't implement plan A he couldn't adapt at all, it has very little to do with his age, he is just not a versatile fighter. Tyson fury doesn't have the technique of Wladimir but he is more skilful and has more tools in terms of boxing, thats because he is a natural fighter. Wladimir is a talented athlete who has learned great technique and Manny taught him how to protect his chin, but he is not a natural fighter. He went out with a whimper in a fight he was behind in, he didn't let it hang out, this also hurts his legacy.

The only case you are resting is that you are a complete and total nutbag!!

This is a perfectly respectable thread you are ruining, TAKE IT UP in History section or Fantasy Fights.

90's? Fury would be one of the best opponents Lewis ever faced and there's no evidence Lewis even wins, remember he was nearly outboxed by bloody MErcer!

Tyson Fury is HW champ in the heftiest and highest participation era with the highest degree of professionalism and development of training modes. That makes him 1st tier.

As SOON as you mention HOF or ATG your argument is immediately worthless!

Wladimir is in a class by himself, as SATG (Super All Time Great) where only Lewis and both Klits really belong at this time. The reason Klitschko may not have HOFers on his list is because he was so good he didn't allow any other boxers to shine bright enough.

In an era with many HOFers, NOBODY was really that great at all because if they were they would not have allowed many other HOFers to arise! OBVIOUSLY!

HOF/ATG is a nut bag argument. It has no place in reality.

Truth is 95% of ALL ATG/HOFers would be immediately knocked out by even bummy modern boxers!

The only HOFers of any value in a H2H with any modern boxers are RECENT HOFers like Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield or Lennox Lewis!

You've exposed yourslelf as a total fool, disrespectd Fury, Klitschko and undermined this forum by comparing them to ancient punch bag bums from 50 years in the past!

Disgusting! Using this as an excuse to push your agenda!