Comments Thread For: Canelo's Trainer To Golovkin: Come To 155, We'll Fight!

[Bardock]

160 is the weight. Canelo full of shiet period.

But 160 wasn't the weight when Cotto fought Canelo huh? Biased eyebrow plucking f@g

[kafkod]

Most people don't know that back in the day, champions did this all the time in the late 1800s and the turn of the century

Middleweight was more like 154-156 at the champions discretion where the weight was

Featherweight was closer to 118

lightheavyweight didn't exist so middleweights fought heavies regularly


its amazing how people act like catchweight fights are a new trend. They have been around over 100 years in boxing.

Here is an article I found on catchweights

“Catchweight” or “contract weight” fights of course began long before Sully penned his challenges to his peers of the day, but to hear today’s typical boxing fan on a rant, catchweights are killing boxing when extra title belts and promoters ain’t killing boxing.

“If we could just get back to one belt and only the best fighting the best when men were men and on and on, over and over,” and so it goes on life’s wonderful merry-go-round.

Well, to be clear, the average fight fan is a rather unstudied lot, but then boxing as a business does little to educate the public as to the history of the sport, so in context, it is as it always was and forever shall be.

Promoters of course love catchweights for expanding the pool of prospective matchups that can be made and fighters themselves often jump when a lucrative opportunity presents itself, so let’s take a look at some of the bigger “catchweight” fights.

Kid Lavigne@131.5 vs Joe Walcott@131.5

Staged December 2nd, 1895 in Queens, New York, Barbados Joe Walcott was a squat, blocky welterweight in need of a big fight, so enter the manager of undefeated The Saginaw Kid Lavigne with a catchweight offer at 15 rounds, won by Lavigne by way of another stipulation of lasting the distance. Walcott’s manager put all his money in Walcott knocking out Lavigne. Keep in mind that the welter and lightweight limits were less by a few pounds than they are today and Walcott was coming off an open bout needing no weight limit and was at 138 lbs for that bout. They staged the rematch 2 yrs later with the Kid doing the honors, knocking out Barbados Joe who weighed 135 lbs for this bout.

Joe Gans@131 vs Battling Nelson@131lbs
Nelson vs Gans
Nelson vs Gans

This was Tex Rickard’s first big fight that established him as one of the greatest promoters ever, and what a dandy it was. Staged September 3rd, 1906 in the Nevada gold mining town of Goldfield, Rickard showcased the $33,000 purse as gold coins in the local bank’s store window, attracting the sporting crowds from all corners of the country.

Joe Gans was incrementally the bigger man, so Battling Nelson wouldn’t fight him without a weight stipulation of 131 lbs, being such a stickler that his camp insisted on weighing Gans at ringside just before the first bell. After 42 rounds of give and take action, Nelson had taken enough of a beating, delivering a blow so low and obvious that he was disqualified. Now I see Boxrec has “edited” the weights again along with the purse, so now the account of the fight is in disagreement with their record, but such are the always moving goalposts of boxing history. The point remains, Gans/Nelson fight is always reported as a catchweight fight.

Harry Lewis@149 vs Johnny Summers@141

Lewis vs Summers
Lewis vs Summers

Harry Lewis is an undersung fighter who held a portion of the welterweight title after the turn of the century. Staged January 25th, 1911 in London, England, the contracted weight was 144 lbs. Lewis was well over and paid a forfeit before knocking out Summers in the 4th round. He then announced he was moving up to middleweight where he finished his career. Fight conditions were very similar to the Mayweather/Marquez bout.

Henry Armstrong@142 vs Ceferino Garcia@153½

The Battle

Staged March 1st, 1940, this is a storied bout touted as Armstrong’s attempt to claim his 4th belt, but the truth of the matter is that only the state of California appeared to recognize the title, which, surprise, was split to smithereens! I see no indication it was reported as a catchweight fight, but I included it because in essence the conditions were near mirror image of the Pacquiao/Margarito fight.

Armstrong was well below the welter limit as was Pacquiao, and lifelong welterweight Garcia well below the middle limit, as was the Margarito career and weight. Some important differences are that Garcia did actually hold a portion of the middle title as recognized by the NYASC by beating Fred Apostoli, but the California fight was only for 10 rds, Another difference is the era with fighters like Margarito enhanced by modern weigh-in rules that give them as much as 36 hours to replenish fluids and nutrients before the fight. Margarito weighed a reported 167lbs in the ring, dwarfing Armstrong, Pacquiao, Garcia and most pre 90s middleweights in size.

Sugar Ray Leonard@165 vs Donny Lalonde@167

Staged at Ceasars PalaceNovember 7th in Las Vegas, Nevada, this fight had all the media hype of a typical Leonard fight plus much more thanks to creative manipulations by the WBC that allowed Leonard to challenge for both the supermiddleweight and LaLonde’s lightheavy title simultaneously in spite of neither making the LH limit. The well drained LaLonde was coming on strong, on the verge of knocking out Leonard before visibly running out of steam and being flattened in the 9th round. It was a good scrap, but emblematic of the extremes of what “catchweight” fights can go to. LaLonde was never the same after this, campaigning at cruiserweight to finish out his career.

Oscar De La Hoya@155 vs Bernard Hopkins@156

Staged September 18th, 2004 at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, the catchweight was actually at 158lbs, but Hopkins, having given up near every concession to the Goldenboy of boxing, got in his first shot early on by scaling in 2lbs below the contracted weight. He got in the last shot as well, flooring the surprisingly competitive De La Hoya with a left hook to the liver that kept him down for the 10 count in the 9th round.

Pretty much similar to the history of the thousands of catchweight fights in that there was seldom any controversy over the catchweight. That is until that modern subspecies, The Shiny Crusted **** Petardis, started streaming(screaming) into cyberspace.

So now with promoters aware that even a minor controversy sells, it looks like catchweights will be proliferating for better or worse into the foreseeable future of boxing.

Quoting boxing history is one thing, understanding it is something else.

It's true that catchweights have been used for over a hundred years, as a means of matching 2 men from different divisions. That's what happened in all of the examples given in that quote.

A champion demanding a catchweight to defend against a man who fights in the same division as him is a different animal altogether, an animal that, for the sake of the sport, should be shot down dead asap.

[Eastcoast]

Golovkin accepts 155lbs, he should require a 170lbs max limit at 9pm fight night or Alvarez gives up 50% of his purse.

[aboutfkntime]

actually, that "bribe" came from Cotto, because he didnt want to do the mando with Rubio. So he took a crack at making the Cotto-Canelo fight, it failed that time when Canelo walked away, and meanwhile Rubio fought GGG and got sparked.

Had Cotto simply done his mando with Rubio, none of this foolishness would be going on now........

Try to keep up........

What does any of that rubbish have to do with the fact that the WBC decided to break their own rules and mandate the WBA champ Golovkin?

You are not a Klitschko fan, are you ?

It is clearly obvious that Wladimir Klitschko has been attempting to unify the heavyweight division for, oh I dunno..... about a DECADE.

When Wladdie beat the **** out of their #1 contender Povetkin, why didn't he get a title shot at Wilder?

Dude, have some pride in the sport.

As a supposed professional, how can you support that rubbish/corruption ?

[aboutfkntime]

More times than not the mandatories are awful fighters that no one has a clue of how they got into the spot in the first place. Obviously, GGG isn't a bum of a mandatory. But a lotta these guys seems to be very new to this whole thing. The very WBC belt they're talking about was stripped from Sergio Martinez because HBO refused his mandatory. Hell, most of these guys hate Floyd and **** on his competition "post-Castillo." Not because they were following boxing then. They just heard it said before, and regurgitate it to appear unbiased. But Floyd's opponent choice came into question when he fought Henry Bruselus and "Chop Chop" Corley in eliminators to become Gatti's mandatory. That was viewed as kinda a lame move. So this whole mandatory sh1f is muchadoo about nothing.

Poor Wladdie don't get the love that Hypekin is getting.

And for some reason, Golovkin is not willing to cut off one of his fingers to make those mega-fights..... like every other fighter between 147-160.

Canelo was willing to fight at 152 for Mayweather.

Golovkin said he can beat anyone at 154, but he doesn't want to try.

I prefer real fighters.

[aboutfkntime]

How about 160? That's the actual sanctioned MW limit, as recognised by every sanctioning organisation in the sport, and the weight at which every world MW title fight was held for over 100 years, till Sergio got the bright idea of cashing himself out by selling a catchweight agreement to Cotto.

This will be the first mandatory defence of the WBC MW title since this bull**** started, and the first chance to end it.

Do you want to see world title fights decided by who is the better fighter, or by who can recover fastest after draining himself down to a weight 20lbs below what he's going to weigh when he enters the ring?

The last fight night weights we have for GGG and Canelo had Canelo entering the ring at 175, GGG at 169.

Canelo is actually the bigger of the 2 men. But because he is only 25 yo, and has plenty of experience playing it, he would no doubt handle the draining and rehydrating game better than 33 yo Golovkin.

That could give him a significant advantage in the fight, and I wouldn't call that fair at all.

What utter rubbish..... you're an idiot kid.

And you wholeheartedly supported a catchweight for Ward/Golovkin.

Shameless, creepy, fanboy.

[El-blanco]

Quoting boxing history is one thing, understanding it is something else.

It's true that catchweights have been used for over a hundred years, as a means of matching 2 men from different divisions. That's what happened in all of the examples given in that quote.

A champion demanding a catchweight to defend against a man who fights in the same division as him is a different animal altogether, an animal that, for the sake of the sport, should be shot down dead asap.

Exactly. Anyone arguing otherwise has no credibility.

[aboutfkntime]

Would be funny if GGG accepts demand and beat Canelo at 155'.

Nobody will take Canelo seriously then.

You talk more **** than Golovkin

[aboutfkntime]

Quoting boxing history is one thing, understanding it is something else.

It's true that catchweights have been used for over a hundred years, as a means of matching 2 men from different divisions. That's what happened in all of the examples given in that quote.

A champion demanding a catchweight to defend against a man who fights in the same division as him is a different animal altogether, an animal that, for the sake of the sport, should be shot down dead asap.

Canelo does not fight in the same division as Golovkin, you utter turd.


1) Canelo has never fought at middleweight

2) Canelo has never fought a middleweight opponent

3) Canelo said " I have no interest in middleweight "

4) Canelo said " I will fight Golovkin at 155 "

5) Canelo said " I will fight Golovkin when I move to middleweight "


FACT: Golovkin has a number of options/ways that he can fight Canelo

FACT: Considering that Golovkin has been saying for YEARS that he can "beat anyone from 154-168"..... and considering that only a couple of weeks back Golovkin said that he can beat "anyone at 154"..... THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY THAT FIGHT CANNOT HAPPEN..... unless Golovkin completely fails to live up to his hype by not being a man of his word.

If Golovkin is prepared to be a man of his word, a reasonable catchweight request should not kill that fight.

I know you agree with me, because you said this you utterly shameless fanboy clown......

[aboutfkntime]

Exactly. Anyone arguing otherwise has no credibility.

Read the post above and tell me how smart you feel