Comments Thread For: De La Hoya on Canelo-GGG: I Can Marinate or Just Do It!

[Lou Cipher]

he has the balls to duck the little G fight and it looks like his promoter does too.

Exhibit A hahahahahahaha EXTRA salty

[nveleven]

What a load of bull****. This is what boxing has come down to. This is why we don't end up with epic trilogies anymore. Marinate is a euphemism for kick the can down the road. Anything can happen in the meantime (look at Paul Williams).
What happened to fighters fighting each other in their primes?! Maybe Canelo v GGG is a war. That would sell the rematch, and then a third fight could be massive. Corporations influence so much now (music, sports, film, food, etc...) and you have to look hard to find an inspired, genuine product.

[OnePunch]

What should be baffling to you is how you can't understand that he and his team's actions are what posters are annoyed about.

When posters see GGG and his team make an effort to work toward the money fights but not the challenging fights, he is going to get criticism, especially since most of GGG's diehard fans were the most vocal critics of this type of career planning when other fighters did it.

SO why you as a GGG fan make it seem like what GGG and his team did was fine and no big deal, others see GGG and his team as the reason the Ward/GGG fight wasn't made and are calling him on it.

What is wrong with that?

No matter how many times you say it, it doesnt get any less false. You always seem to ignore one of the most important points, which is the TIMELINE.

At the time GGG was looking at 168 fights with Chavez or Froch, it was because the 160 unifications he wanted were not available. At that time, Ward was not available either, due to injuries and promotional problems.

Fast forward to this year, and the unifications ARE available, so GGG is not looking at 168 options, including Ward, who technically isnt even available anyways as his offer was to fight "sometime next year"

So honestly, when timeline and context are factored in, I see no BS with what K2 or GGG has done.

If there was ONE thing I could acknowledge, its that they didnt aggressively go after Lara instead of taking Monroe. Now we can all agree that it probably would have been a pointless effort, considering the economics (100k for monroe vs 1mil+ for lara) and the obvious HBO/Haymon issues, but it wouldnt have hurt to try. And who knows, maybe they did reach out. But Loeffler didnt address it very well if they did.

[The Big Dunn]

No matter how many times you say it, it doesnt get any less false. You always seem to ignore one of the most important points, which is the TIMELINE.

At the time GGG was looking at 168 fights with Chavez or Froch, it was because the 160 unifications he wanted were not available. At that time, Ward was not available either, due to injuries and promotional problems.

Fast forward to this year, and the unifications ARE available, so GGG is not looking at 168 options, including Ward, who technically isnt even available anyways as his offer was to fight "sometime next year"

So honestly, when timeline and context are factored in, I see no BS with what K2 or GGG has done.

If there was ONE thing I could acknowledge, its that they didnt aggressively go after Lara instead of taking Monroe. Now we can all agree that it probably would have been a pointless effort, considering the economics (100k for monroe vs 1mil+ for lara) and the obvious HBO/Haymon issues, but it wouldnt have hurt to try. And who knows, maybe they did reach out. But Loeffler didnt address it very well if they did.

What I posted that you bolded is 100% true and you need to admit it. The man repeatedly said his dream fight was Floyd at 154 and that he could make the weight in addition to the Froch and Chavez jr fights. It's ok to like him but stop trying to make like he wasn't choosing money over challenge.

You be honest about the timeline. HBO had Lampley downplay the fight before Ward stopped fighting. Before Cotto came in and beat Sergio after he avoided GGG. Then with the 164 talk, its hard to not find fault with K2 and GGG.

The unifications are not available One Punch. If you listened to ODH, you realize the Canelo fight is not likely. Added to this, Canelo can pay more than GGG so he is more likely to get the unifications than GGG is. AT least be honest about this.

Bottom line is ward is moving on to Kov and so should we. but there are going to be people who hold GGG and his team responsible for the Ward fight not happening based on all the facts.

[Cinci Champ]

What a load of bull****. This is what boxing has come down to. This is why we don't end up with epic trilogies anymore. Marinate is a euphemism for kick the can down the road. Anything can happen in the meantime (look at Paul Williams).
What happened to fighters fighting each other in their primes?! Maybe Canelo v GGG is a war. That would sell the rematch, and then a third fight could be massive. Corporations influence so much now (music, sports, film, food, etc...) and you have to look hard to find an inspired, genuine product.

its all about return on investment these days all the way down to how hbo calls fights.

[OnePunch]

What I posted that you bolded is 100% true and you need to admit it. The man repeatedly said his dream fight was Floyd at 154 and that he could make the weight in addition to the Froch and Chavez jr fights. It's ok to like him but stop trying to make like he wasn't choosing money over challenge.

You be honest about the timeline. HBO had Lampley downplay the fight before Ward stopped fighting. Before Cotto came in and beat Sergio after he avoided GGG. Then with the 164 talk, its hard to not find fault with K2 and GGG.

The unifications are not available One Punch. If you listened to ODH, you realize the Canelo fight is not likely. Added to this, Canelo can pay more than GGG so he is more likely to get the unifications than GGG is. AT least be honest about this.

Bottom line is ward is moving on to Kov and so should we. but there are going to be people who hold GGG and his team responsible for the Ward fight not happening based on all the facts.

EVERYBODYS dream fight is Floyd. Even Ward said he'd go to 160 for Floyd. Nobody believes its a realistic fight, so who cares? Who else out there would be an appropriate "dream fight" other than Floyd?? Any fighter within 3 divisions either way of Floyd would love to have that fight and you know it.

And sorry to bust your bubble, but unifications ARE available. He just did one with Lemieux, and he has the option of forcing Canelo's hand and making him either fight or hand over the belt in the next 15 days. That only leaves the Lee-Saunders winner out there, and if Lee wins I believe GGG-Lee could be made quite easily. Lee had signed for it once before, so no reason to think he wouldnt do it again.

And the people that hold GGG "responsible" for the Ward fight not happening obviously have another agenda. Any objective person can look at the facts, the timeline, and whats going on now and realize that GGG-Ward was never a viable fight at this moment, and Wards team asking GGG to abandon his position for the title Canelo just won, was a non-starter.

(and yes, the deal Ward offered would have meant that GGG would have lost his mandatory spot to the cotto-canelo winner, as well as being stripped of the IBF belt he just won from Lemieux. The deal was a non-starter)

[b00g13man]

What should be baffling to you is how you can't understand that he and his team's actions are what posters are annoyed about.

When posters see GGG and his team make an effort to work toward the money fights but not the challenging fights, he is going to get criticism, especially since most of GGG's diehard fans were the most vocal critics of this type of career planning when other fighters did it.

SO why you as a GGG fan make it seem like what GGG and his team did was fine and no big deal, others see GGG and his team as the reason the Ward/GGG fight wasn't made and are calling him on it.

What is wrong with that?

Couldn't have said it any better.

[Ray*]

it does get annoying when every friggin conversation ends up with "but but but but 164 doe". Its like talking to a ******ed kid or a 4 year old or something.

If that makes me a "fanatic", then so be it.


and fyi, trying to compare mandatory defenses within a single division to hypothetical matchups between fighters 2 divisions apart makes a person look like an idiot.

Mate take a chill pill, I would criticise Canelo for wanting Lee at 160 but GGG at 155/156, just like GGG wanted Froch at 168 but Ward at 164.... Deal with it, I don't give a toss about your lame excuses about negotiation and offers, that's my opinion and thought on it. Am not a fanatic like yourself so yeah I can criticise any fighter without any emotional attachment or crying about it.

[Basco]

Oscar: "I can marinate or make it right now......but I will marinate" lol

[Ray*]

What should be baffling to you is how you can't understand that he and his team's actions are what posters are annoyed about.

When posters see GGG and his team make an effort to work toward the money fights but not the challenging fights, he is going to get criticism, especially since most of GGG's diehard fans were the most vocal critics of this type of career planning when other fighters did it.

SO why you as a GGG fan make it seem like what GGG and his team did was fine and no big deal, others see GGG and his team as the reason the Ward/GGG fight wasn't made and are calling him on it.

What is wrong with that?

Thank you, maybe he thinks I have only started following boxing or something, what's wrong in using the same logic to criticise Canelo to criticise GGG? Lol, I mean if Canelo turned around tomorrow and said Lee me and you at 160 now, but he is telling GGG 155, isn't that the same thing GGG tried with Froch (168) but Ward (164)? You don't have to be fanboys all the way to admit something that is clearly in black and white.