Who is the closest fighter ever to being perfect?

[B Phontain]

mayweather 130-135 was really something special. long and rangy, could fight inside and out. went to the BODY, killer instinct. can fight orthodox or southpaw, threw combinations to the head and body, counterpuncher (still the best pullcounter ive ever seen), great defense, good chin (despite not getting hit a lot, he could take one if he needed to). Could out box you or out fight you....hell he was even called a power puncher when he first started if you can believe that. ring smarts. He was ridiculous back then.

I will also say if anyone just decided to walk into a boxing gym one day and ask a trainer could he show them some film on what a perfect boxer should look like.....the trainer should immediatley blow off the old vcr and pop in a tape of ricardo lopez. seriously, if boxing had a symbol like jerry west for the nba id vote for finito

[New England]

TS confirmed what I said.

He's talking most complete overall.

Mcclellan was not tested enough to rank highly imo.

again, TS can introduce skills and it becomes a different discussion. i haven't gone through the entire thread. that's not what i got from the OP. just look at accomplishments if you want to see the application of skill. "outboxed tommy hearns," for example.

that's different from saying "if i built a fighter, he would look like X," or "ray robinson had all time great speed, power, and chin." or "randall bailey is the hardest 140 lb puncher i've ever seen."


when i looked at his OP it clearly looked like he was talking about talent that you bring to the sport, not the stuff you teach a fighter. they are different discussions. if he wants to discuss something other than talent, that's fine, but that's a different discussion from the formation of hte perfect physical fighter, and really turns into a discussion of resume and it's application, and not talent.

[-PBP-]

this is a bad list.

duran is a good shout, but whitaker and mayweather are actaully one dimensional fighters.


ray leonard was floyd mayweather with more activity, a better chin, and with the abiliyt o be aggressive and knock people out. floyd can't do what he can do, but he could do what floyd did. he outboxed bigger, better boxers than floyd ever could. he also knocked tommy hearns out, and took his gas! not miguel cotto, not canelo alvarez, tommy hearns.

One-dimensional my ass. They can fight inside, they can fight outside, they can walk you down, they can fight going backwards, they can adapt to all styles.

[B Phontain]

this is a bad list.

duran is a good shout, but whitaker and mayweather are actaully one dimensional fighters.


ray leonard was floyd mayweather with more activity, a better chin, and with the abiliyt o be aggressive and knock people out. floyd can't do what he can do, but he could do what floyd did. he outboxed bigger, better boxers than floyd ever could. he also knocked tommy hearns out, and took his gas! not miguel cotto, not canelo alvarez, tommy hearns.

im gonna have to disaggree with you there buddy, there is nothing one dimensional about whitaker or floyd. They were saying the 130-135 floyd hell even 140 which i think probably woulda been his best weight had he stayed there instead of chasing money

[-PBP-]

im gonna have to disaggree with you there buddy, there is nothing one dimensional about whitaker or floyd. They were saying the 130-135 floyd hell even 140 which i think probably woulda been his best weight had he stayed there instead of chasing money

Even at 147 he wasn't one dimensional. He was walking down Canelo, he fought Cotto on the inside, he used his range and feet to keep Pac at a distance. Same with Whitaker, he did everything against Chavez. Walked him down, boxed off the back foot, beat him on the inside. Complete fighters can fight at all ranges and adjust to any style. Dudes just be talking out of there ass.

[New England]

Leonard was naturally bigger than Floyd so this is an unfair comparison. After all, I think most people are referring to the 130-130 lbs Mayweather. Not the 38 year old with brittle hands fighting much bigger men.

Also, Leonard could not defend like Floyd or counter as well as Floyd. Offensively Leonard was more effective but saying Leonard could do everything Floyd could is rubbish.

so he was only well rounded at 130 lbs? he was a better puncher, had a better chin, and was more aggressive at the weight. that's not where he spent the bulk of his career, and he still wasn't the puncher, aggressor, that leonard was at 147.


so floyd's defense is a bit better, and he counters better. i agree with these things. he also didn't face anywhere near the kind of offensive potency that leonard faced. leonard's 147 resume is better than floyd's at any weight. he beat ray leonard and tommy hearns, and hearns was at his absolute peak.

leonard was just as fast, and i genuinely think he was faster. better combination puncher. much harder puncher. much better chin. much better work rate. much better finisher.

you get the idea. one of these fighters has several limits, and the other has fewer limits.



this thread is being proliferated by floydians by the look of it, . i can show a horse the water. i can't make him drink.

if you think floyd mayweather is a more well rounded fighter than ray leonard, a guy who was not only a great boxer but also a hard puncher, a finisher, and an aggressor that is on you


ray leonrad knocked tommy hearns out . he took his punch. i really don't think a lot of you get what that involves.

[New England]

Even at 147 he wasn't one dimensional. He was walking down Canelo, he fought Cotto on the inside, he used his range and feet to keep Pac at a distance. Same with Whitaker, he did everything against Chavez. Walked him down, boxed off the back foot, beat him on the inside. Complete fighters can fight at all ranges and adjust to any style. Dudes just be talking out of there ass.

shut the f#ck up with this nonsense. you need to stop reading larry X theads.

i was at that fight. he didn't "walk canelo down." just stop. floyd retired. it's time to get off of his nuts.

[-PBP-]

shut the f#ck up with this nonsense. you need to stop reading larry X theads.

i was at that fight. he didn't "walk canelo down." just stop. floyd retired. it's time to get off of his nuts.

You can post all the laughing faces you want. It doesn't hide the fact that you are absolutely wrong. You don't even know what one-dimensional means. "All he do is box doe". "He didn't beat Hearns doe"

[B Phontain]

so he was only well rounded at 130 lbs? he was a better puncher, had a better chin, and was more aggressive at the weight. that's not where he spent the bulk of his career, and he still wasn't the puncher, aggressor, that leonard was at 147.


so floyd's defense is a bit better, and he counters better. i agree with these things. he also didn't face anywhere near the kind of offensive potency that leonard faced. leonard's 147 resume is better than floyd's at any weight. he beat ray leonard and tommy hearns, and hearns was at his absolute peak.

leonard was just as fast, and i genuinely think he was faster. better combination puncher. much harder puncher. much better chin. much better work rate. much better finisher.

you get the idea. one of these fighters has several limits, and the other has fewer limits.



this thread is being proliferated by floydians by the look of it, . i can show a horse the water. i can't make him drink.

if you think floyd mayweather is a more well rounded fighter than ray leonard, a guy who was not only a great boxer but also a hard puncher, a finisher, and an aggressor that is on you


ray leonrad knocked tommy hearns out . he took his punch. i really don't think a lot of you get what that involves.

you have your right to your opinion, i just dont all the way agree with rays attributes being "better" than floyds. I loved ray as a fighter and i honestly cant think of anyone off the top of my head who threw better combinatiations. but again the problem i had with your statement was saying floyd and whitaker where one dimensional. I completley disaggree with that statement. And am I reading it right that you dont think floyd was much of an aggressor at the lower weights?

also if i was building a fighter i would add things that you cant be tought in a gym like ring smarts, adaptablitly etc. Floyd would never have had a leonard/duran 1. never.

[New England]

You can post all the laughing faces you want. It doesn't hide the fact that you are absolutely wrong. You don't even know what one-dimensional means. "All he do is box doe". "He didn't beat Hearns doe"

you think floyd mayweather is more well rounded than ray leonard. you cannot be taken seriously.

i've provided plenty of support for the idea that leonard is a more rounded fighter. i laid out what a roudned fighter is, and demonstrated how leonard fits the criteria.


you said "floyd walked canelo down."

https://********/qWiOX5Epoxg

here's that fight. watch him walk canel down... while moving to the side and away for almost all of the fight


point out some stretches where he "walked him down." this will be entertaining. i've got to step out for a couple of hours. i'll return to see you struggle :lol!: