Miguel Cotto and Roc Nation refused VADA testing for Alvarez fight

[Scipio2009]

VADA is still in bed with Victor Conte, archetype behind the BALCO labs scandal that kneecapped sports, in general.

Wouldn't bother doing business with them if I could avoid it, so not sure what folks expected Roc Nation Sports to do.

WADA is the global standard, with USADA being the standard akin to WADA in the US. VADA doesn't even have their own facility to test anything at; they are simply a pass-through that turns around and sends said samples to WADA-accredited facilities in the US, largely overseen by USADA.

moving on

[Scipio2009]

LOL they already are. "Cotto uses USADA why would he use VADA" on twitter.

VADA sends all of their samples to USADA-affiliated facilities for actual testing.

Where's the value added that comes with VADA when they actually don't even do any of their own testing?

[Scipio2009]

Sources? VADA testing is mandatory for WBC fights starting February. WBC and VADA offered Cotto a chance to test under their program but he refused, while team Canelo agreed to VADA testing.

Actually you heard wrong. VADA has a base pay of like $16k while USADA was paid around 125k for floyds fight with pac

compare base pay to base pay and cut the BS.

[HeroBando]

VADA sends all of their samples to USADA-affiliated facilities for actual testing.

Where's the value added that comes with VADA when they actually don't even do any of their own testing?

Value added? Usada is way more expensive, dummy. The added value is in limited disclosure.

[Bardock]

VADA sends all of their samples to USADA-affiliated facilities for actual testing.

Where's the value added that comes with VADA when they actually don't even do any of their own testing?

Maybe because VADA actually reports to the commission before they report to daddy haymon? Do they use USADA facilities or are they using WADA facilities that USADA also uses? And what does it matter what facilities they're using?While USADA doesn't use CIR testing, VADA does. Why trust an organization that doesn't report drugs tests?

[lopetego]

It's official, Cotto is a PED cheat

anyone who demands USADA over VADA is hiding something. period

USADA is a garbage, fake ass organization, nothing but a whore for the highest bidder. they might as well not do any testing if they're using USADA

[Bardock]

compare base pay to base pay and cut the BS.

Mayweather paid USADA over 100K for the Pac fight These are facts

[Scipio2009]

Value added? Usada is way more expensive, dummy. The added value is in limited disclosure.

Expense has nothing to do with it. VADA contracts out to random sample collectors, who apparently operate without much formal actual sampling criteria (evidenced by the "Rios pisses into a random drinking cup, while he waits on the collector to return with the specimen cup" situation), while also not having ANY testing facility, anywhere.

Yes, USADA may actually be more expensive; when you're locking in formal sample collectors, formal collection protocols, and formal relationships with labs across the country for full testing of various samples, that extra cost is worth it. penny wise, pound foolish, tbh.

J'Leon Love gets busted for a diaretic (hydrochlorothiozide, a HBP medicine that has the little side effect of forcing water out of the body) and the world comes down on him; Brandon Rios gets busted for have an active stimulant in his system, the stories get out about the testing procedure that led to said result, and the only consequence in any of this is a short suspension from a commission that Rios likely never intended to fight in, again in life.

Money not being an issue (doubt that RocNation is tripping over the cost of testing for a fight card that's likely to generate over $100m in revenue once everything's counted), you take USADA every time.

[Scipio2009]

Maybe because VADA actually reports to the commission before they report to daddy haymon? Do they use USADA facilities or are they using WADA facilities that USADA also uses? And what does it matter what facilities they're using?While USADA doesn't use CIR testing, VADA does. Why trust an organization that doesn't report drugs tests?

USADA is the American signatory to the World Anti-Doping Code, while also being the go-to organization for random drug testing for all of America's Olympic teams and professional leagues that don't do testing in-house.

VADA is a novel idea by Dr. Margaret Goodman that doesn't even have its own sample takers on payroll.

If all you've got to hang your hat on is that Dr. Goodman's organization is willing to shell out the extra cost to send her samples to a WADA-accredited lab for CIR testing of every sample, you're not hanging on by much (from what I've read CIR testing is only used to check the confirmation of an already tested positive sample, often in appeal situations).

Only two WADA-accredited labs in the country, both of them out west.

[Scipio2009]

Mayweather paid USADA over 100K for the Pac fight These are facts

What was the USADA cost for Mayweather-Maidana I/II, Mayweather-Alvarez, Mayweather-Guerrero, Mayweather-Cotto, Mayweather-Ortiz, or Mayweather-Mosley? Or any of the other fights that USADA has handled the testing for?

My guess is that the number probably wasn't over $100k.

To hear you tell it, if VADA had been in charge of the testing for Mayweather-Pacquiao, you'd have folks believe that said testing could've been properly handled and administered for $20k.

gtfoh