Comments Thread For: Arum: Golovkin's True Tests Are at 168, Like Ramirez

[SchoolTheseCats]

Yo MANG !!! Yo hang up is Was rd! Problem is Ward is not PPV !!!!!

That aside Arum is the PPV king and he will get it together with Big G for a PPV extraganza !!!

You is so dumb

You either dumb or trying be biggest groupie of them all nobody can sell the public to a GGG-Ramirez as ppv fight can't work miracles on that ashame how you was pacs biggest fan then disappeared on him on May 3rd and jumped on the triple g train

[j0zef]

Thank you, and i appreciate the point you are trying to make.

i agree that, in the absence of meaningful, and more profitable, fights at 160 for whatever reason, i.e. politics, promotional ties, TV rights, etc., then Golovkin will need to move up.

i also agree that he will definitely garner more respect beating Jack, Degale, Ward, etc., if he was able to. But that would be because he is an average sized 160lb-er going up against bigger fighters.

I was just mentioning that other fighters have stayed at their own natural fighting weights, forced others to come to them, and still attained "greatness". With regards to Hagler and Monzon, as the two 160 examples I mentioned, I appreciate that there was no 168 division then; 160 up to 175 is a big jump!

Regards.

you're failing to realize that a lot of big names in SMW are with Haymon, and in general they are worse and less popular fighters than in MW.

Golovkin will be just as avoided in SMW without even a quarter of the financial reward.

Do you think he's chasing Froch just for kicks? Because he's an easy opponent? No, Froch, even at 38, still spanks all the current SMW Champs AND he's more popular than Abraham /degale /jack put together.

[aboutfkntime]

Haha, yes, I agree - IF Murray was to remain thought of as his "best win".

However, Hagler probably not have been considered so marvellous if William Lee had been his best win as a champion . . .

My main point was that Golovkin might not necessarily need to move up to attain "greatness" but that would very much depend on who he was able to fight at 160. However, given the available opposition, The Big Dunn's points about moving up are valid.

True, there are better fighters at 168..... but there are also 3 world-class JMW's that Golovkin could fight..... 2 of them he would have to make reasonable concessions for, the other one will fight him at 160, on HBO, in Kazakhstan, wearing a bikini

[aboutfkntime]

you're failing to realize that a lot of big names in SMW are with Haymon, and in general they are worse and less popular fighters than in MW.

Uh no, they're not.

Why would you say that ?

Golovkin will be just as avoided in SMW without even a quarter of the financial reward.

Dont be ridiculous, I don't believe that for one second.

Why would you say that ?

Do you think he's chasing Froch just for kicks? Because he's an easy opponent? No, Froch, even at 38, still spanks all the current SMW Champs AND he's more popular than Abraham /degale /jack put together.

Because he is a huge payday, because he is well past his best, and because Golovkin can probably land on him.

[tokon]

True, there are better fighters at 168..... but there are also 3 world-class JMW's that Golovkin could fight..... 2 of them he would have to make reasonable concessions for, the other one will fight him at 160, on HBO, in Kazakhstan, wearing a bikini

Yes, maybe, although it remains to be seen if Golovkin can actually make 154. For a power boxer like him he might make the weight but lose his effectiveness. But would these fights establish "greatness", or just be seen as a 160lb-er beating smaller fighters?!

So, as regards "greatness", if politics etc. were not a factor (I accept they are so its hypothetical) then there may be fights at 160 that would show how good Golovkin is without him having to move up unless he wanted to.

In the meantime, it is likely that Golovkin's merit will only be established when he goes up against bigger, heavier fighters.

[aboutfkntime]

Yes, maybe, although it remains to be seen if Golovkin can actually make 154. For a power boxer like him he might make the weight but lose his effectiveness. But would these fights establish "greatness", or just be seen as a 160lb-er beating smaller fighters?!

So, as regards "greatness", if politics etc. were not a factor (I accept they are so its hypothetical) then there may be fights at 160 that would show how good Golovkin is without him having to move up unless he wanted to.

In the meantime, it is likely that Golovkin's merit will only be established when he goes up against bigger, heavier fighters.

I agree.

Team Golovkin have recently stated that he can make 154, but not sure.

They have said a lot of things.

My issue is Golovkins complete unwillingness to negotiate.

It looks like he would prefer to take the easy way out by waiting for the winner to be stripped rather than negotiating a reasonable catchweight and fighting him.

I disagree that beating the winner would "be seen as a 160lb-er beating smaller fighters"..... a cw would be fair, and it would be Golovkins best win by far.

An underwhelming resume + poor PPV sales = Golovkin obviously needs that fight..... and if he can beat everyone at 154 like he says then a reasonable catchweight request should not kill that fight.

I will be extremely disappointed, and will likely write Golovkin off as a hypejob, if he takes the easy way out by avoiding potentially his 3rd/4th world-class opponent.

[tokon]

I agree.

Team Golovkin have recently stated that he can make 154, but not sure.

They have said a lot of things.

My issue is Golovkins complete unwillingness to negotiate.

It looks like he would prefer to take the easy way out by waiting for the winner to be stripped rather than negotiating a reasonable catchweight and fighting him.

I disagree that beating the winner would "be seen as a 160lb-er beating smaller fighters"..... a cw would be fair, and it would be Golovkins best win by far.

An underwhelming resume + poor PPV sales = Golovkin obviously needs that fight..... and if he can beat everyone at 154 like he says then a reasonable catchweight request should not kill that fight.

I will be extremely disappointed, and will likely write Golovkin off as a hypejob, if he takes the easy way out by avoiding potentially his 3rd/4th world-class opponent.

Ah, ok, I understand the point you are making now.

Personally I don't agree with "catchweights" for "title" fights. The "title" (in this case) is middleweight/160lbs limit. Therefore a title fight should have a 160lb limit and if either fighter does not want to agree less then that should be the end of it.

However, Golovkin has said he would make 154 for Mayweather, although that would (presumably) have been for PBF's 154lb title, and by doing so has opened the door to fighting below 160lb.

The reason for going down for Mayweather is (again presumably) big money and big prestige fight. In that case, the next two biggest names/PPV draws (excluding Manny - and I'm fairly certain Golovkin can't make 147!) are Cotto and Canelo.

In the same way as Team Golovkin would have considered Ward at 164 then they should consider gonig to 157 for Cotto/Canelo.

[jas]

ggg would annihilate ramirez - hypejob

[aboutfkntime]

Ah, ok, I understand the point you are making now.

Personally I don't agree with "catchweights" for "title" fights. The "title" (in this case) is middleweight/160lbs limit. Therefore a title fight should have a 160lb limit and if either fighter does not want to agree less then that should be the end of it.

However, Golovkin has said he would make 154 for Mayweather, although that would (presumably) have been for PBF's 154lb title, and by doing so has opened the door to fighting below 160lb.

The reason for going down for Mayweather is (again presumably) big money and big prestige fight. In that case, the next two biggest names/PPV draws (excluding Manny - and I'm fairly certain Golovkin can't make 147!) are Cotto and Canelo.

In the same way as Team Golovkin would have considered Ward at 164 then they should consider gonig to 157 for Cotto/Canelo.

Agree entirely, good point.