What is With this Avoiding Fighters Stuff?

[raymon123]

LOL..........you're a clown

You're an idiot and a kiss up to the coward in margarito. He's afraid to fight williams. Hell i post a poll of if margarito is afraid of williams and it was a 1 sided yes lol. I guess i made my case.

[boxingjunkie31]

You're an idiot and a kiss up to the coward in margarito. He's afraid to fight williams. Hell i post a poll of if margarito is afraid of williams and it was a 1 sided yes lol. I guess i made my case.

so your poll makes Margarito Afraid of Williams?

speaking of POLLS....Zab was 16 to 1 favorite to beat Baldi..16 TO 1!

POLLS SMOLLS

DONKEY

[raymon123]

so your poll makes Margarito Afraid of Williams?

speaking of POLLS....Zab was 16 to 1 favorite to beat Baldi..16 TO 1!

POLLS SMOLLS

DONKEY

So? lol that's cause nobody didn't know who baldomir was before fighting zab. My poll. I bet nobody knows who margarito was before fight a very long layoff cintron. Your poll and my poll are way different. I'm talking about if margarito is afraid of williams, you put a poll of who thinks will win. And by the way? i also put a poll of who will win between williams vs margarito and the vote answers clearly williams.

[Tijuana Tornado]

I get so sick of hearing that. 99% of the time it is so untrue. I want someone to tell me when Mayweather has avoided somone and when has guys like Margarito been avoided?

Floyd gets unfairly ripped for not fighting some guys but its so untrue. When he was young at 130 and very early in his career he fought the legendary Genero Hernandez for the title, fought a very dangerous Chico, Manfredy, Chaves, Hernandez, and so many more.

Then he moved to 135 and took on a very dangerous Castillo in his 1st fight and gave him a immediate rematch to leave no doubt. He didnt run and hide after the 1st fight. He then fought a very tough N'Dou who many thought would beat him and Sosa.

Then he always gets ripped for 140 but how? He moved to 140 asked to fight Hatton and Hatton said no, he asked for Gatti and Gatti said no. He had no one to fight and had to settle for a very good Chop Chop. Then Hatton and others still wouldnt fight him until Gatti had to.

After the Gatti fight, Hatton still wasnt ready to fight Floyd, Cotto wasnt ready, Harris lost to a bum, so Floyd decided to move up but yet he always gets ripped and is said that he ducked guys and didnt take tough fights when these guys have admitted that they turned him down. Even a prime Lazcano admitted he turned Floyd down at 135.

He moves up to 147 to fight Zab because at that time Zab was the undisputed champ. People said he avoided Margarito but Zab was the guy who beat Spinks who people recognized as the champ. He fought a very good Mitchell as a tune up and then signed to fight Zab for the belt. He signed the Zab fight before the Baldomire fight but he steady gets ripped for again picking a easy opponent. No one knew Zab would lose and he signed it before the fight. At the time everyone thought that would be a big fight but because of Zab, Floyd gets ripped for it.

Then Margarito alreayd had a fight so Floyd couldnt switch to him. Now people say Floyd is still ducking Margarito. How? Floyd has said for years that he wanted Oscar and its all for the money and fame. If Margarito had Oscar's money or fame then Floyd would be all over that fight.

I still think he will fight Margarito but if he doesnt then it has nothing to do with him being scared. How does Margarito scare Floyd more then a undefeated prime Chico at 130, a legendary Hernandez when Floyd was a no body, or JLC at 135. No way Margarito is more scary then those guys.

Someone please tell me how did Floyd duck Hatton when Hatton has said "I need 2 more fights" so many times, how has he ducked Cotto when Arum wont put him anywhere near Floyd, how has he ducked Margarito when Floyd just got to 147 and went after Zab's title because he was recognized as the Champ?

Also people rip Floyd for fighting Zab but how is Margarito any better? Margarito had just came off a win over a green nobody in Cintron but before that he had just lost to Santos and got hurt many times so he wouldve basically just been coming off a loss also.

I just dont get how Floyd gets ripped for not fighting guys who admit that they turned him down? Then I also dont get how guys like Hatton talk trash after Floyd leaves and says things like "people must understand that I am the champ at 140". How do you figure? Just because you beat Tszyu? Floyd is the guy recognized as #4# the best in the sport, won every fight at 140, asked to fight you many times and you said wait but you can claim your the best and your the champ after he leaves?

Then tell me who was ducking Margarito? Margarito was a nobody when guys like Shane and Vernon were dominating 147. Then he comes along after Mayorga KO's Forrest and demands for Mayorga to fight him and when Mayorga doesnt then people say they are ducking him? How is Mayorga ducking him when he had already signed a big money fight with Shane and King gave him alot to fight Spinks? Then King had Spinks & Zab so you know that he would let them fight eachother instead of splitting money with Arum.

Its about money, fame, and bigger names. No one is ducking Margarito just because they fear him and for sure Floyd hasnt ducked him or anyone else around those divisions and if you think so then your insane. Your going to really tell me that Mayorga is scared of Margarito, Spinks who fought a crazy Mayorga is scared of Margarito, or that a street guy and super confident Judah is scared to fight Margarito? I will never buy that.

Only guy who may have ducked Margarito is Shane but that was after he was washed up and had lost a bunch of times and didnt want to fight someone dangerous like Margarito for cheap when he knew he could fight other guys just as dangerous for more money like Vargas.

I want someone to name me one fighter that Floyd didnt fight when he shouldve? Name just one. You cant name any because the guys you named will be guys that already turned him down or there promoter didnt want no part of Floyd, like Cotto

Sorry, when you offer a fighter a career high payday and he turns that down to fight an easier guy for less money that is a clear, obvious duck. A little bit of common sense could have told you that much.

[Jim Jeffries]

Did Floyd fight Joel Casamayor or Acelino Freitas when at 130? No. When Floyd moved to 140, Hatton wasn't a champ, Tszyu was. Did Floyd fight Kostya? No, he fought a much easier Gatti. When Floyd moved to 147, he could have fought a champ who had held his belt for 5 years and defended it 7 times, instead he fought a much easier bout against someone who had just won it and defended it only once, against Gatti (not a 147 pounder in any sense of the word) for LESS money (you know when Floyd fights for LESS money something is wrong.) Now instead of fighting one of two undefeated champions at WW, he fights a guy who looked terrible in his only bout at 147. Add in that this is the recognized #1 p4p fighter in the world we are talking about here, and something doesn't quite add up.

[squealpiggy]

I get so sick of hearing that. 99% of the time it is so untrue. I want someone to tell me when Mayweather has avoided somone and when has guys like Margarito been avoided?

Floyd gets unfairly ripped for not fighting some guys but its so untrue. When he was young at 130 and very early in his career he fought the legendary Genero Hernandez for the title, fought a very dangerous Chico, Manfredy, Chaves, Hernandez, and so many more.

Then he moved to 135 and took on a very dangerous Castillo in his 1st fight and gave him a immediate rematch to leave no doubt. He didnt run and hide after the 1st fight. He then fought a very tough N'Dou who many thought would beat him and Sosa.

Then he always gets ripped for 140 but how? He moved to 140 asked to fight Hatton and Hatton said no, he asked for Gatti and Gatti said no. He had no one to fight and had to settle for a very good Chop Chop. Then Hatton and others still wouldnt fight him until Gatti had to.

After the Gatti fight, Hatton still wasnt ready to fight Floyd, Cotto wasnt ready, Harris lost to a bum, so Floyd decided to move up but yet he always gets ripped and is said that he ducked guys and didnt take tough fights when these guys have admitted that they turned him down. Even a prime Lazcano admitted he turned Floyd down at 135.

He moves up to 147 to fight Zab because at that time Zab was the undisputed champ. People said he avoided Margarito but Zab was the guy who beat Spinks who people recognized as the champ. He fought a very good Mitchell as a tune up and then signed to fight Zab for the belt. He signed the Zab fight before the Baldomire fight but he steady gets ripped for again picking a easy opponent. No one knew Zab would lose and he signed it before the fight. At the time everyone thought that would be a big fight but because of Zab, Floyd gets ripped for it.

Then Margarito alreayd had a fight so Floyd couldnt switch to him. Now people say Floyd is still ducking Margarito. How? Floyd has said for years that he wanted Oscar and its all for the money and fame. If Margarito had Oscar's money or fame then Floyd would be all over that fight.

I still think he will fight Margarito but if he doesnt then it has nothing to do with him being scared. How does Margarito scare Floyd more then a undefeated prime Chico at 130, a legendary Hernandez when Floyd was a no body, or JLC at 135. No way Margarito is more scary then those guys.

Someone please tell me how did Floyd duck Hatton when Hatton has said "I need 2 more fights" so many times, how has he ducked Cotto when Arum wont put him anywhere near Floyd, how has he ducked Margarito when Floyd just got to 147 and went after Zab's title because he was recognized as the Champ?

Also people rip Floyd for fighting Zab but how is Margarito any better? Margarito had just came off a win over a green nobody in Cintron but before that he had just lost to Santos and got hurt many times so he wouldve basically just been coming off a loss also.

I just dont get how Floyd gets ripped for not fighting guys who admit that they turned him down? Then I also dont get how guys like Hatton talk trash after Floyd leaves and says things like "people must understand that I am the champ at 140". How do you figure? Just because you beat Tszyu? Floyd is the guy recognized as #4# the best in the sport, won every fight at 140, asked to fight you many times and you said wait but you can claim your the best and your the champ after he leaves?

Then tell me who was ducking Margarito? Margarito was a nobody when guys like Shane and Vernon were dominating 147. Then he comes along after Mayorga KO's Forrest and demands for Mayorga to fight him and when Mayorga doesnt then people say they are ducking him? How is Mayorga ducking him when he had already signed a big money fight with Shane and King gave him alot to fight Spinks? Then King had Spinks & Zab so you know that he would let them fight eachother instead of splitting money with Arum.

Its about money, fame, and bigger names. No one is ducking Margarito just because they fear him and for sure Floyd hasnt ducked him or anyone else around those divisions and if you think so then your insane. Your going to really tell me that Mayorga is scared of Margarito, Spinks who fought a crazy Mayorga is scared of Margarito, or that a street guy and super confident Judah is scared to fight Margarito? I will never buy that.

Only guy who may have ducked Margarito is Shane but that was after he was washed up and had lost a bunch of times and didnt want to fight someone dangerous like Margarito for cheap when he knew he could fight other guys just as dangerous for more money like Vargas.

I want someone to name me one fighter that Floyd didnt fight when he shouldve? Name just one. You cant name any because the guys you named will be guys that already turned him down or there promoter didnt want no part of Floyd, like Cotto

Decent post but you've made the error of decrying talk of "avoiding" fighters as suffered by Floyd Mayweather and then accused everyone else of avoiding Floyd himself.

[warp1432]

Did Floyd fight Joel Casamayor or Acelino Freitas when at 130? No. When Floyd moved to 140, Hatton wasn't a champ, Tszyu was. Did Floyd fight Kostya? No, he fought a much easier Gatti. When Floyd moved to 147, he could have fought a champ who had held his belt for 5 years and defended it 7 times, instead he fought a much easier bout against someone who had just won it and defended it only once, against Gatti (not a 147 pounder in any sense of the word) for LESS money (you know when Floyd fights for LESS money something is wrong.) Now instead of fighting one of two undefeated champions at WW, he fights a guy who looked terrible in his only bout at 147. Add in that this is the recognized #1 p4p fighter in the world we are talking about here, and something doesn't quite add up.

Casamayor and Frietas were basically just prospects and beginning their careers at 130 when Floyd was struggling to make weight. He then moved up.

I've gone over the tszyu issue with you in other threads, so I won't bring that up.

"Well Hatton didn't belong at welter" blah blah blah.

What happened to those claims that Hatton was going to break Mayweather's rib's from his vicious bodyshots? What about the claims "Hatton had a cold going in and only had 2 weeks to get used to the weight"? All these seem to disapear after Hatton gets knocked out.

The thing is, Hatton had what? 7 weeks to prepare for 147 and trained his ass off for it and got used to the weight. He was a welterweight and fit there no matter how ****ty he looked against Collazo.

Carmen Basillo beat Sugar Ray Robinson and he weighed 153 in their Middleweight bout,while SRR weighed 160. Basillo was the smaller man, but won. I'm not saying Hatton is no Basillo, but smaller fighters can overcome their physical abilities and win.

Though their was one reason Hatton lost, Floyd was a lot better then him.

Question to people: If Arum really offered 8 million dollars for Floyd to fight Margarito before the Judah fight as some people say, why didn't he offer Floyd 8 million for Judah when Judah was a much bigger draw? Why would he offer 8 million dollars to Floyd for him to fight against a lesser draw when he could have offered the same money for him fighting Judah?

If Arum offered 8 million to fight a "no name" like Margarito why hasn't he offered atleast 10 million for Floyd to fight cotto right now?