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  • #71
    Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post
    "We're not Middleweights"

    Come on man, you have been fighting within the Middleweight limits (155-160) for 4 fights when you include this fight. You sir, are a middleweight. Time to admit it.

    You don't have to be exactly 160 to be a MW. All you have to do is fall between 155-160 which he has done now for 2 years.

    It's like saying Manny v Floyd wasn't a welterweight fight because neither weighed in at 147. They still weighed in between 141-147, hence it was a welterweight fight.

    Fighters these days annoy me, it's never been a problem throughout the history of the sport to have a few pounds weight difference.
    Catchweights have been around for years, but Pacquiao started the recent trend of catchweights being a "normal" part of every fight negotiation.

    I complained abut manny-weight incessantly and said cw's should be banned.

    Banning them for title fights is a step in the right direction, but they really are unnecessary.

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    • #72
      He should have said "Today we doing Strenght! Next week we doing Speed!"
      Oh my i would have laughed my ass off!

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Jubei View Post
        Like I said, YKSAB, Canelo is fighting at middleweight for a couple fights now, demanded 156 for Cotto because he is getting bigger.

        Cotto has the lineal title that GGG wants, why doesnt the diva vacate?

        Why is their fight promoted as a middleweight title fight?

        Why do you support such mockery of the sport?
        You saying that 155 is middleweight is a mockery of the sport.

        If 155 is middleweight, why is Golovkin crying ?

        Oh right, its not middleweight.

        Tell me why you think that Golovkin would rather make 0, get 0 names on his resume, increase his public exposure by 0, and increase the PPV sales for his next fight by 0..... rather than fight Cotto at 155.

        Golovkin said that he could beat Cotto at 155..... so you tell me why you think that Golovkin would rather make 0 than fight Cotto at 155 ?

        This will be funny.....

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        • #74
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
          Catchweights have been around for years, but Pacquiao started the recent trend of catchweights being a "normal" part of every fight negotiation.

          I complained abut manny-weight incessantly and said cw's should be banned.

          Banning them for title fights is a step in the right direction, but they really are unnecessary.
          I've said many times i don't mind a catchweight if they're genuinely in different weight classes. Like if Crawford was to fight a genuine Welterweight at 144, that's understandable.

          However when you're actually fighting within the Middleweight limits because you can't make 154 and fighting for a MW title, then want to catchweight, i can't agree with it. That doesn't just go for Canelo or Cotto, that goes right across the board. I'm a Floyd fan but i couldn't agree with the 152 limit for Canelo.

          As far as i'm concerned, if you physically can't make 154, then you're a middleweight. It's not like it's a one off fight again which i could understand, Canelo and Cotto have been fighting within the MW (155-160) class for around 2 years now. It's time for Canelo to accept he just isn't a LMW anymore, you can't change history and the rules because you can't make a weight but don't want to move up. It just makes a mockery of the sport, the history, the rules and the belts.

          I understand there's being the A-side but i think you should use that status the right way if you must. Do it in the business side of things, use your status for the best business and financial deal for yourself, not to handicap your opponents physically before getting in the ring.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
            You saying that 155 is middleweight is a mockery of the sport.

            If 155 is middleweight, why is Golovkin crying ?

            Oh right, its not middleweight.


            It is middleweight though. 155-160 is Middleweight, not just ****-on 160.

            That's the point. He's technically fought at MW for 2 years.

            Neither Floyd or Manny fought at 147 for their fight, does that mean it wasn't welterweight? of course not.

            That's the rules of the sport. Weight classes have a scope of a certain amount of lbs. If you're 155-160, you're MW. If you're 161-168 you're SMW etc. etc. You don't have to hit the limit dead-on.

            Golovkin and Canelo fight in the same weight class. so why would and should Golovkin accept to cut weight? They should fight at MW where they both are. If Canelo chooses to come in at 156 or 160 for the fight, it's his choice, but either is within MW.
            Last edited by deathofaclown; 10-26-2015, 05:52 AM.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post
              It is middleweight though. 155-160 is Middleweight, not just ****-on 160.

              That's the point. He's technically fought at MW for 2 years.

              Neither Floyd or Manny fought at 147 for their fight, does that mean it wasn't welterweight? of course not.

              That's the rules of the sport. Weight classes have a scope of a certain amount of lbs. If you're 155-160, you're MW. If you're 161-168 you're SMW etc. etc. You don't have to hit the limit dead-on.

              Golovkin and Canelo fight in the same weight class. so why would and should Golovkin accept to cut weight? They should fight at MW where they both are. If Canelo chooses to come in at 156 or 160 for the fight, it's his choice, but either is within MW.
              Nah, 155 is not middleweight.

              * If 155 is middleweight, why won't Golovkin fight Canelo at 155 ?

              * Seriously, what middleweight weighs 155?

              Name one!

              * Middleweights weigh 160, and they fight other middleweights.....

              FACT: Canelo has never fought at 160
              FACT: Canelo has never fought a middleweight

              * It is not about rehydration weight, that is irrelevant..... Team Golovkin are well-aware that Canelo will be a better fighter if he is given time to undertake full training camps that are designed to prepare him for 160.

              I will go with Team Canelo who state that he can make 154.

              Put it this way, we won't need to wait very long for confirmation..... if Canelo cannot make 155 and be healthy for 12 rounds, Cotto will let us know very soon.

              If he can make 155, Ima bet he can make 154 as well.

              Only they will know, and only Cotto will find out.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                Nah, 155 is not middleweight.

                * If 155 is middleweight, why won't Golovkin fight Canelo at 155 ?

                * Seriously, what middleweight weighs 155?

                Name one!

                * Middleweights weigh 160, and they fight other middleweights.....

                FACT: Canelo has never fought at 160
                FACT: Canelo has never fought a middleweight

                * It is not about rehydration weight, that is irrelevant..... Team Golovkin are well-aware that Canelo will be a better fighter if he is given time to undertake full training camps that are designed to prepare him for 160.

                I will go with Team Canelo who state that he can make 154.

                Put it this way, we won't need to wait very long for confirmation..... if Canelo cannot make 155 and be healthy for 12 rounds, Cotto will let us know very soon.

                If he can make 155, Ima bet he can make 154 as well.

                Only they will know, and only Cotto will find out.
                You're dumb. 155 IS Middleweight, 155-160.

                Plenty of MW's come in below 160, the same as plenty of Welterweights come in at like 145. You fight within a division then you find a comfortable weight to fight within that 6 or 7 or whatever pound scope that the rules allow.

                I bet he can make 154, it doesn't mean he can fight comfortably there. I'm sure most 160-168 fighters could physically boil themselves down to 154, it doesn't mean they're healthy or in any state to fight as a pro athlete there.

                Canelo has said he isn't a middleweight, cool, then fight as a LMW. But he doesn't, because he knows he can't make it comfortably. Canelo chooses to fight above 154 because he he knows it's a hinderance to him. So he opts to fight in the MW division, for a MW belt but at 155 or 156. He's a middleweight whichever angle you want to put on it and has been for 4 fights now.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi View Post
                  Lara talked his way into Canelo fight, lost

                  Why the **** does Lara get to repeatedly call guys out if all he plans to do is run anyways.

                  Lara doesn't deserve the fight because Lara doesn't fight.



                  Who the **** has Lara beat that makes him world class?

                  His best fight he lost because he didn't even try to engage.



                  Andy Lee once already agreed to fight him and is actively wanting the belts.



                  You don't mind riding the short bus do you?



                  WBC wouldn't sanction it lower than 155.



                  You don't seem to get it.

                  GGG and lee may happen. But not before he either beats Cotto/Canelo winner or they vacate like the little *****es they are.



                  If you are willing to vacate a MW strap and Lineal, face the kind of backlash Canelo is facing, all so you don't get in a ring with a certain fighter, then your scared.

                  Canelo isn't scared, then he won't vacate and he'll fight GGG on the WBC contracted weight.

                  Canelo has come out with multiple excuses now, and most have called him on them.

                  He is saying he is a 154 fitter, although he has fought 155 four straight fights once Cotto is done.

                  He knows he wanted a 157 CW. He knows dang well he is a MW, he just knows GGG whoops him bloody, and he figure the backlash is better than getting beat bloody.
                  Yeah that's the difference Jedi...the likes of Andy Lee..Saunders, quillin don't have that option of making a lower weight ...there natural middleweights and going down low to get a belt it's dangerous and it's unfair ....so let them try for the belts and win 160 title....hopefully after the cotto canelo fight it's gonna get straightened out for the better

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by Gentblue View Post
                    GGG never has to challenge himself because his fans say so.... Yaaaayyyy


                    On a side note: Nelo should really keep his mouth shut. I know you don't want to fight GGG but don't make it so obvious
                    Golovkin said that he can beat Canelo at 155.

                    waiting........................................

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post
                      You're dumb. 155 IS Middleweight, 155-160.
                      Nah, its not, and I explained why.

                      If 155 is middleweight, then Golovkin should just sack up and fight.

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