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  • Progrssive_Jedi
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    #581
    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
    The comment below is weak sauce to me.....

    Canelo's walk-around weight is not even relevant, it has no bearing at all.

    The total amount of functional muscle-mass and conditioning that you can take into a fight will be determined at the official weigh-in.

    Canelo has never trained to fight at 160, when he does he will be much stronger..... and Canelo has never fought a middleweight opponent.

    Its not about being an Aztec warrior or any of that shht.

    Boxing doesn't work like that.
    Canelo rehydrated to 175.

    If he thinks he isn't a MW, then why fight to be MW lineal champion?

    Why does he get to make a mockery of weight classes? They've been there much longer than he has been alive on earth.

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    • JaguaresMx
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      #582
      Originally posted by ИATAS
      Are you being serious right now? I can't believe boxing fans actually defend this crap. Do you want boxing to be a sport or no? Because without rules and regulations it is not a sport.

      Cotto fought, and beat Sergio Martinez for the lineal crown. He then defended that title against a former title holder in Daniel Geale. Cotto is, without any doubt, THE middleweight champion of the world.

      Canelo is a guy who in his last four fights has fought above the 154 pound division, which makes those fights middleweight. He is a guy that weighs 172-174 pounds in the ring. Technically he is a middleweight. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. Further if he beats Cotto he will be THE lineal middleweight champion of the world. Just because Canelo likes to bend the rules and fight in a made up weight class of 155 pounds doesn't mean he's not fighting at middleweight. Anything over 154 is middleweight. That's a fact.
      Boxing has always been this kind of sport. I am not going to get suddenly outraged.

      I am not saying that I like catchweights or like this, but rather that I acknowledged this kind of stuff as part of the sport. Whether you like it or not.

      Canelo's fight night weight has nothing to do with anything, in that case GGG is ducking light heavyweights too. That's a poor argument. And 155, however you slice it, is not 160.

      Take Cotto for example. Cotto may be the champ, but he is no way shape or form a 160 fighter. He is just not. Do I think that ethically he should drop the belt then? Yes, but since when is ethics a part of boxing? He is doing what he can by fighting lower and lower to benefit him. So, on the technicality that he is a MW he is supposed to get in the ring with GGG with no advantages at all? Come dude, he doesn't even belong at 160 why is he going to serve himself on a platter against a monster like GGG?

      Let me state it again: I am not "defending it." But I often see that boxing fans get all righteous only when their favorite fighter is on the short end of the stick. Remember Floyd and his fans making fun of Pac's cw's? Well, when it was Floyd, they forgot. GGG will have to take it. When he gets power, he will do it too. I hope you complain then too.

      Don't hold GGG to a different regard. He's no different in that he is trying to secure the best fights at the best circumstances possible. If he could safely make 154, he would. If he thought he could beat up Ward easy, he would move to 168 tomorrow. That's boxing whether we like it or not.

      Not defending it, just seeing boxing for what it is. Not going to get all righteous about a sport that has none of it.

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      • aboutfkntime
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        #583
        Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi
        I'm starting to give Cotto much more respect
        You are not !

        It would take too long to drag your lips away from Golovkins knob.

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          #584
          Originally posted by i'm a fun haver
          Chins don't get better over time especially when the guy is cutting so much weight.
          This whole thing could become a disaster lol
          Yep, he is going to pay for that if he aint careful.

          Especially from a guy like Golovkin who will be putting it on him late.

          Canelo would likely be much better to wait until he has adapted to 160.

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          • Progrssive_Jedi
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            #585
            So all you saying Canelo is right to demand CW

            Will you be Ok if GGG forces Ward down to 160? Or 163 even?

            So if CW is the new normal, then GGG never has to move up to challenge himself, he can just demand everyone come to him from 168.

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              #586
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime
              I cant believe some of the shht you talk.....

              " Andre Ward Must Go to 164 or No Fight..... "
              Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas - Abel Sanchez, trainer of WBA/IBO middleweight champion Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin, has made it absolutely clear that he's not going to budge from his position that a potential fight with Andre Ward will only happen if Ward - the recognized champion at super middleweight - is wiling to meet them halfway at a catch-weight of 164-pounds. Golovkin and his team received more than their fair share of heat in recent days, after placing a catch-weight demand on a potential fight with Ward. The reason for the heat, is because Golovkin was willing to fight both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at the full super middleweight limit.


              " We'd Fight Ward at 164, 50-50 Split "
              Promoter Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, who handle IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs), says a fight can certainly be worked out with WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15 KOs). But the deal would have to be under Golovkin's terms and not dictated by Ward. Loeffler feels Golovkin has surpassed Ward as a ticket seller and in terms of name recognition - making GGG the A-side of the negotiations.


              " He works at 168. I’m 160. I think [fighting in the] middle is very correct, not 160, not 168. 164 is very correctly. " Golovkin said
              sportsnews.com/boxing-mma/golovkin-insists-andre-ward-must-fight-him-at-164/7948
              He posted the YouTube clip of lil g on sportsnation saying 50/50 weight out his mouth and still said he never said it lol

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              • Boxfan83
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                #587
                Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi
                Will you be Ok if GGG forces Ward down to 160? Or 163 even?

                So if CW is the new normal, then GGG never has to move up to challenge himself, he can just demand everyone come to him from 168.
                He did try to get Ward down in weight, I believe he asked for a 164lb weight limit.

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                • JaguaresMx
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                  #588
                  Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi
                  Will you be Ok if GGG forces Ward down to 160? Or 163 even?

                  So if CW is the new normal, then GGG never has to move up to challenge himself, he can just demand everyone come to him from 168.
                  He will. It is what it is. Why do you think he's trying to fight smaller dudes who have never fought at 160?

                  You really think he's different? If he was, he would have walked away from trying to become an A-side by beating freaking small Cotto and chasing him around for years.

                  Won't be okay with it, but it is what it is.

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                  • Progrssive_Jedi
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                    #589
                    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                    You are not !

                    It would take too long to drag your lips away from Golovkins knob.
                    Naw, but if Cotto is willing to man up, when he shouldn't fight GGG, he is the one who needs a CW. Although he should of thought of that before becoming MW champ.

                    Originally posted by SchoolTheseCats
                    He posted the YouTube clip of lil g on sportsnation saying 50/50 weight out his mouth and still said he never said it lol
                    I've already ceded this point. Do you want an apology.

                    It's still not the same.

                    GGG doesn't outweigh Canelo in the ring.

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                    • SchoolTheseCats
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                      #590
                      Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi
                      Will you be Ok if GGG forces Ward down to 160? Or 163 even?

                      So if CW is the new normal, then GGG never has to move up to challenge himself, he can just demand everyone come to him from 168.
                      Cw are a$$ point blank period but he shouldn't of tried to kick that aside crap with ward says he will go down to 154 for floyd then says no to cw for cinnamon and cotton, he has no leverage against them and needs they name more then that title

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