Grabbing is illegal. A point should be taken off after 3 holds at least

[Pechorin]

Nonesense! Grabbing is quintessential to the American style of boxing. It's like this: you throw the jab and immidiately tie up your opponent afterwards; in doing so, you comepletely nullify his offense. The ref will break it up and you can proceed to start the process all over for over twelve rounds.

Oh, I almost forgot; for this to be effective your promoter has to be the one running the show.

[Savage Poster]

I have a better idea: put Floyd Mayweather Jr., Wladimir Kiltschko, Andre Ward, Viktor Postol, Miguel Vazquez, and all other clinchers in front of a firing squad!

[Zaroku]

The point of grabbing is to stop your opponent punching you, often when hurt. If you take a knee then that's a point. Grabbing literally stops losing a point at times.

It doesn't add excitement to a match, so refs should be trained to deduct points.

What are the current rules now?
Produce those first, before proposing changes.

But I get your drift.

[Unseen]

What are the current rules now?
Produce those first, before proposing changes.

But I get your drift.

The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee:
You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.
When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.
A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.
If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.

[Lester Tutor]

Khan vs Collazo. 78 holds.... just saying.

[Zaroku]

The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee:
You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.
When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.
A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.
If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.

Thanks for the rules, which vary by jurisdiction, and their application varies by referee.

How do we train all referees to be consistent in their application of the rules.

I can smoke weed in Colorado because I want to do so. I go to Cali and I need a prescription. A cop in Cali stops on the street finds my meds and confiscates them because he thinks the law of California is wrong. Another cop, opens my herb sac and says, "smells like bomb ass ****" and gives them back.

Cops have discretion to act, some get too involved in our lives, others just do what they gotta do.

It is the same with the referees.

But I get your point.

Consistent enforcement is my question.

[Unseen]

Thanks for the rules, which vary by jurisdiction, and their application varies by referee.

How do we train all referees to be consistent in their application of the rules.

I can smoke weed in Colorado because I want to do so. I go to Cali and I need a prescription. A cop in Cali stops on the street finds my meds and confiscates them because he thinks the law of California is wrong. Another cop, opens my herb sac and says, "smells like bomb ass ****" and gives them back.

Cops have discretion to act, some get too involved in our lives, others just do what they gotta do.

It is the same with the referees.

But I get your point.

Consistent enforcement is my question.

I would say holding, wrestling is consistently wrong in all forms of boxing, but I could be wrong. What isn't enforced is giving deductions or warnings.

As someone mentioned vs Wlad and Jennnings, it changes a fight.

Perhaps Organisations can invest in proper training or even promoters. Less holding means more exciting fights/hurt/KD's = usually more interest = more money.

One thing that I do dislike about boxing is that some refs/judges are over 60 and even over 70. Far too old IMO to make quick decisions when boxers are so fast and the fact that scoring a round is quite an intense and subjective role.

How, I don't really know, but I do know that as a boxing fan, I am familiar with top refs and say yeah he won't let holding happen or yeah he's firm etc... when they should all be the same.

[Raonic]

Honestly I agree.

[Zaroku]

I would say holding, wrestling is consistently wrong in all forms of boxing, but I could be wrong. What isn't enforced is giving deductions or warnings.

As someone mentioned vs Wlad and Jennnings, it changes a fight.

Perhaps Organisations can invest in proper training or even promoters. Less holding means more exciting fights/hurt/KD's = usually more interest = more money.

One thing that I do dislike about boxing is that some refs/judges are over 60 and even over 70. Far too old IMO to make quick decisions when boxers are so fast and the fact that scoring a round is quite an intense and subjective role.

How, I don't really know, but I do know that as a boxing fan, I am familiar with top refs and say yeah he won't let holding happen or yeah he's firm etc... when they should all be the same.

I agree. Many old, but how do we get a consistent product???
Some refs are ex boxers & bring their experiences good & bad into the ring.

But I Agee too much holding.

[FrankieClutch]

i remember how interesting the Wlad-Jennings fight became when the ref took a point away from Wlad for holding

Agreed.