Grabbing is illegal. A point should be taken off after 3 holds at least

[Zaroku]

I would say holding, wrestling is consistently wrong in all forms of boxing, but I could be wrong. What isn't enforced is giving deductions or warnings.

As someone mentioned vs Wlad and Jennnings, it changes a fight.

Perhaps Organisations can invest in proper training or even promoters. Less holding means more exciting fights/hurt/KD's = usually more interest = more money.

One thing that I do dislike about boxing is that some refs/judges are over 60 and even over 70. Far too old IMO to make quick decisions when boxers are so fast and the fact that scoring a round is quite an intense and subjective role.

How, I don't really know, but I do know that as a boxing fan, I am familiar with top refs and say yeah he won't let holding happen or yeah he's firm etc... when they should all be the same.

They should all be the same, I agree with you. But it will be tough to get different refs to see things the same way.

What do we do? Add replays by the corners which are ruled on like in the NFL?
3 ref challenges per 12 round fight? Have a panel of referees review the holding? Or foul and rule on it? Add time outs when your guy gets dropped?

I completely agree, but there are pot shot hugger types and that is their game.
I agree with you, but how do we implement it.

Floyd hated the job tony weeks did in Maidana 1. Weeks made Floyd deal with a brawler & a mauler. Floyd felt the pain, and he looked to weeks but didn't get the love he wanted.

I enjoyed it very much. But Floyd adjusted. To his credit.

Best Regards,
Zaroku

[Tony Trick-Pony]

i can not just describe it but it's very effective against huggers.

i think he was the ref for Thrilla in Manila.

I will check it out.

[LA_2_Vegas]

I can understand a badly hurt boxer hanging on for dear life. Other than that I don't like holders and holders and hitters. Some boxers don't even throw punches until they grab the other guy and then they start punching him with one hand while holding with the other hand which is illegal but seldom enforced. Not only do most referees allow too much holding but they are way to slow to break up a clinch. There is this new thing that some referees do. Instead of breaking up the clinch they tell the boxers to fight their way out of the clinch. The referee has no right to tell the boxers how to fight other than not allowing anything illegal. I have never seen a time when the ref told boxers to fight their way out of a clinch that the boxers actually did fight their way out of the clinch.

Surely you remember Richard Steele's "punch or get out!!" - he did that all the time. I always thought of that as just a verbal command to stop holding before he comes into break them up. He is a polarizing ref but I always liked his approach on this specific point.

Do you have an issue with a referee unhooking the arms of fighters when they are locked in a clinch, for example? In other words, taking an effort to break a clinch by slapping down the gloves to free the arms and facilitate continuous action. Is that telling a fighter how to fight?

[Luilun]

[QUOTE=Unseen;16149213]The point of grabbing is to stop your opponent punching you, often when hurt. If you take a knee then that's a point. Grabbing literally stops losing a point at times.

It doesn't add excitement to a match, so refs should be trained to deduct points.[/QUO New Generation defense

[Luilun]

according to Floyd fans you are wrong.

it is called SWEET SCIENCE

Floyd fans are high on crack

[daggum]

i think the only fair way to deal with these clinching cheaters is to go back and retroactively dq everyone who won and held a lot. wlad now has like 30 losses, floyd a couple, ruiz is eric crumble with zero wins

[Jermaine83]

I have a better idea: put Floyd Mayweather Jr., Wladimir Kiltschko, Andre Ward, Viktor Postol, Miguel Vazquez, and all other clinchers in front of a firing squad!

Funny thing is I watched a lot of Ali fights and he grabbed from the very first few seconds of the first round in a lot of fights but I don't hear you guys criticise that.
So many double standards in this boxing game.
Grabbing or whatever you want to call it has been part of the game for decades but you make it seem like these current fighters started it or used it their whole careers, when they evidently didn't and used that tactic a bit more, the older they got.
Anything to diminish a guys career right. Lol. SMDH

[STAX ON DECK]

clichling is a skill that when used properly,is a masterful art

it will NEVER go away,so learn to deal with it

[sargo]

Clinching in MMA is ok because it is part of fighting. Dirty boxing follows, submission moves follow, knees, elbows, etc.

In boxing it is purely to stop the action. A way to survive. How many of you actually use clinching when you spar? I do it only to make people watching laugh to let them know, hey this guy is good, I am just trying to survive. But serious sparring? You just box.

[Willy Wanker]

What if both fighters are at fault?

Then both fighters should quit the fight and get a room instead if they want to keep holding.