I Respect Wilder's Business

[Redd Foxx]

I understand but that is a major problem in boxing. Guys fighting for and winning World Champions without earning it and/or because their Promoter/Manager/Adviser or what ever has the connections to get them title shots before they're Worthy. Then they honest expect us to be OK with World Champions going back to fighting weak opponents so they can get better, while they're world champions?

If you're not fully Developed as a fighter to take on World Class Competition then maybe you shouldn't fight for a World Title. That is a bit disrespectful to the other guys who did work their way up and did not get the shortcut because they don't have a Powerful Adviser like Al Haymon backing them

I'm sure you know it's not that easy though. Before he fought Stiverne, all I heard was condescending talk about Wilder needing to face real competition, fight for a title, etc. It's a catch 22 that happens to every good prospect. The fans need to be a bit more understanding, respecting that fighters need time to develop. There is such a need to hype fighters that they're either getting pushed too quick or accused of fighting bums. Not everyone can be thrown to the lions and come out on top like Ward did in the Super 6. It's frustrating, I agree, but as we've seen with guys like Canelo and LSC, letting a guy come into his own sometimes produces a half decent fighter vs him getting steamrolled by the same competition had those fights happened earlier on.

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if you think wilders opponents are even in the rough vicinity of golovkins opponents... you are lying

perhaps golovkins opponents aren't pacquaio level superstars with mainstream recognition and signature underwear but they are top middleweights who, without golovkin there, would be the champion

wilders opponents are no hopers with not even a remote chance of championship aspirations. he fought bums, grabbed a belt from stiverne whos resume is even worse, then went back to bums.

[kafkod]

i'm sure you know it's not that easy though. Before he fought stiverne, all i heard was condescending talk about wilder needing to face real competition, fight for a title, etc. It's a catch 22 that happens to every good prospect. The fans need to be a bit more understanding, respecting that fighters need time to develop. There is such a need to hype fighters that they're either getting pushed too quick or accused of fighting bums. Not everyone can be thrown to the lions and come out on top like ward did in the super 6. It's frustrating, i agree, but as we've seen with guys like canelo and lsc, letting a guy come into his own sometimes produces a half decent fighter vs him getting steamrolled by the same competition had those fights happened earlier on.

bum squaaaad!!!

[daggum]

false equivalencies again. do people ever learn? ggg fighting the best and trying to fight the best while having a couple tune ups is not the same thing as wilder picking bums as his first option

[daggum]

Most certainly, especially Quillen.
Regarding Canelo, it really doesn't matter what weight a guy CAN make, it's about what he's comfortable fighting at. If he's bigger, why isn't Genady going down to 154, which is loaded with good fights, and clean up there. Again though, it's about what a guy is comfortable at.

really? quillin fights at such a slow pace. lemiuex imo would easily destroy him. jacobs has no chin so thats an easy ko. are you sure you aren't thinking about the lemieux that lost 4 years ago? yeah they might beat that lemieux but in lemieuxs last 2 fights he had to dig deep and was able to maintain his stamina, workrate, and power.

[Scott9945]

YET, guys YET. GGG is three years older. Wilder will fight probably three top tens THIS YEAR. How long has GGG taken?

Who exactly are those "three top tens"? I couldn't find a top 30 opponent after Stiverne.

[sicko]

I'm sure you know it's not that easy though. Before he fought Stiverne, all I heard was condescending talk about Wilder needing to face real competition, fight for a title, etc. It's a catch 22 that happens to every good prospect. The fans need to be a bit more understanding, respecting that fighters need time to develop. There is such a need to hype fighters that they're either getting pushed too quick or accused of fighting bums. Not everyone can be thrown to the lions and come out on top like Ward did in the Super 6. It's frustrating, I agree, but as we've seen with guys like Canelo and LSC, letting a guy come into his own sometimes produces a half decent fighter vs him getting steamrolled by the same competition had those fights happened earlier on.

You make a great point, I'm not as hard on Wilder as others, I always try to give fighters the benefit of the doubt because they're in a brutal sport but of course not every fan if going to see it that way. They call every move in boxing now "Cherry Picking" or "Ducking". That being said, you can get better vs Stiffer Competition, it doesn't have to be extremely weak competition to get better against.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

You make a great point, I'm not as hard on Wilder as others, I always try to give fighters the benefit of the doubt because they're in a brutal sport but of course not every fan if going to see it that way. They call every move in boxing now "Cherry Picking" or "Ducking". That being said, you can get better vs Stiffer Competition, it doesn't have to be extremely weak competition to get better against.

There is also a big difference between bringing a fighter along with mid-carders rather than just "feeding them to the lions." When a guy has a diet of tomato cans and then steps up against the best, yes. He will probably get killed. But if he steps up to mid-carders(hopefully before getting a title shot) and takes a few dings while learning, then he will be ready. I'm not claiming Wilder's competition is great. I just meant that I liked that he is staying busy. Better guys than he has fought deserve to get a shot.