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  • sicko
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    #11
    IMO I think Wilder is dropping the ball. Fans are begging for a fighting Champion. Somebody who take challenges head.

    People clearly want something the opposite from the Mayweather Male Diva ERA in which it was just about the Money and nothing else. Yes Wilder can be a Superstar but he dropped the ball with these last 2 Match Ups.

    You're already in a **** Division, the fact that he has to dig way down and fight guys who are rated like the #54 Heavyweight on Boxrec, that does turn the fans off. Briggs is not rated high but Briggs would have been Acceptable just for entertainment value.

    Haymon guys for some reason make it easy for their critics to bash them, then they get real sensitive when fans call them out on social media for their **** match ups. Regardless if the fights are Free it is no excuses taking on 2 Weak Opponents back to back in a already weak Division

    He can surpass GGG easily by accumulating and better resume, sorry but you can't do that fighting Molina and this last guy who name I never even bothered learning or remembering. These guys are not taking advantage of Haymon Platform, in fact they're wasting it away by using it to take **** fights which ultimately ended up driving ratings lower and lower
    Last edited by sicko; 10-13-2015, 06:11 PM.

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      #12
      Originally posted by sicko
      IMO I think Wilder is dropping the ball. Fans are begging for a fighting Champion. Somebody who take challenges head.

      People clearly want something the opposite from the Mayweather Male Diva ERA in which it was just about the Money and nothing else. Yes Wilder can be a Superstar but he dropped the ball with these last 2 Match Ups.

      You're already in a **** Division, the fact that he has to dig way down and fight guys who are rated like the #54 Heavyweight on Boxrec, that does turn the fans off. Briggs is not rated high but Briggs would have been Acceptable just for entertainment value.

      Haymon guys for some reason make it easy for their critics to bash them, then they get real sensitive when fans call them out on social media for their **** match ups. Regardless if the fights are Free it is no excuses taking on 2 Weak Opponents back to back in a already weak Division

      He can surpass GGG easily but accumulating and better resume, sorry but can't do that fighting Molina and this last guy who name I never even bothered learning or remembering
      I think the only problem I see with that is that Wilder is still developing. He's definitely not reached near prime in regard to potential talent and I think his camp wants him to get more on the job training, if you will.

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        #13
        Originally posted by sicko
        IMO I think Wilder is dropping the ball. Fans are begging for a fighting Champion. Somebody who take challenges head.

        People clearly want something the opposite from the Mayweather Male Diva ERA in which it was just about the Money and nothing else. Yes Wilder can be a Superstar but he dropped the ball with these last 2 Match Ups.

        You're already in a **** Division, the fact that he has to dig way down and fight guys who are rated like the #54 Heavyweight on Boxrec, that does turn the fans off. Briggs is not rated high but Briggs would have been Acceptable just for entertainment value.

        Haymon guys for some reason make it easy for their critics to bash them, then they get real sensitive when fans call them out on social media for their **** match ups. Regardless if the fights are Free it is no excuses taking on 2 Weak Opponents back to back in a already weak Division

        He can surpass GGG easily by accumulating and better resume, sorry but you can't do that fighting Molina and this last guy who name I never even bothered learning or remembering. These guys are not taking advantage of Haymon Platform, in fact they're wasting it away by using it to take **** fights which ultimately ended up driving ratings lower and lower
        Looks like the Russian Krystov guy at the bottom of your page is using the shifting technique to knock his opponent out. I like that and will have my eye on that guy.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Redd Foxx
          I think the only problem I see with that is that Wilder is still developing. He's definitely not reached near prime in regard to potential talent and I think his camp wants him to get more on the job training, if you will.
          I understand but that is a major problem in boxing. Guys fighting for and winning World Champions without earning it and/or because their Promoter/Manager/Adviser or what ever has the connections to get them title shots before they're Worthy. Then they honest expect us to be OK with World Champions going back to fighting weak opponents so they can get better, while they're world champions?

          If you're not fully Developed as a fighter to take on World Class Competition then maybe you shouldn't fight for a World Title. That is a bit disrespectful to the other guys who did work their way up and did not get the shortcut because they don't have a Powerful Adviser like Al Haymon backing them

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            #15
            Originally posted by sicko
            I understand but that is a major problem in boxing. Guys fighting for and winning World Champions without earning it and/or because their Promoter/Manager/Adviser or what ever has the connections to get them title shots before they're Worthy. Then they honest expect us to be OK with World Champions going back to fighting weak opponents so they can get better, while they're world champions?

            If you're not fully Developed as a fighter to take on World Class Competition then maybe you shouldn't fight for a World Title. That is a bit disrespectful to the other guys who did work their way up and did not get the shortcut because they don't have a Powerful Adviser like Al Haymon backing them
            That's very true. If you're not ready for the best, then you go down against the best. No molly coddling. I totally agree. Too many belts out there. The title needs to mean something again.

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              #16
              Originally posted by techliam
              Wilder isn't building relevancy though

              He's actually losing what little he gained by the Stiverne win, against a vastly overrated fighter

              I see your point, but GGG is fighting top 10 opposition, Wilder is not
              YET, guys YET. GGG is three years older. Wilder will fight probably three top tens THIS YEAR. How long has GGG taken?

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                #17
                Originally posted by BWC
                Wilder will fight probably three top tens THIS YEAR. How long has GGG taken?
                Are you ******ed?

                Nevermind, forget the question, you obviously are.

                You base your argument on assumptions, your wet dreams and fantasies.

                This is a boxing forum, maybe you should seek out a forum about fairy tales.
                Last edited by Jubei; 10-13-2015, 06:50 PM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BWC
                  YET, guys YET. GGG is three years older. Wilder will fight probably three top tens THIS YEAR. How long has GGG taken?
                  I hope he does. That would be great to see. Hopefully all on PBC to get him plenty of exposure. I am not yet a big fan, but if he keeps developing, he could turn into something. After all, Wlad won't be around much longer.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by sicko
                    I understand but that is a major problem in boxing. Guys fighting for and winning World Champions without earning it and/or because their Promoter/Manager/Adviser or what ever has the connections to get them title shots before they're Worthy. Then they honest expect us to be OK with World Champions going back to fighting weak opponents so they can get better, while they're world champions?

                    If you're not fully Developed as a fighter to take on World Class Competition then maybe you shouldn't fight for a World Title. That is a bit disrespectful to the other guys who did work their way up and did not get the shortcut because they don't have a Powerful Adviser like Al Haymon backing them
                    Haha Stiverne wasn't ""world class" competition?

                    Look you guys act like HW is just stacked with killers top to bottom and he can just pick up the phone and find a Joe Frazier to fight.

                    1) These top guys never fight each other, any of them. They just float around fighting lower-level fighters until they get their shot.

                    2) The division is probably 6-7 deep tops. Fighting 4 times a year, he'd run out of opponents in a couple years. If he fights Say Glazkov/Jennings, Povetkin, and Wlad this year what he is he left with? Fury and a bunch of no-names until the Wilder-Joshua is ready to maximize the potential. Same situation for any of these guys.

                    I mean this is a division where Tony Thompson is still considered a top-level fighter along with Arreola..

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by sicko
                      I understand but that is a major problem in boxing. Guys fighting for and winning World Champions without earning it and/or because their Promoter/Manager/Adviser or what ever has the connections to get them title shots before they're Worthy. Then they honest expect us to be OK with World Champions going back to fighting weak opponents so they can get better, while they're world champions?

                      If you're not fully Developed as a fighter to take on World Class Competition then maybe you shouldn't fight for a World Title. That is a bit disrespectful to the other guys who did work their way up and did not get the shortcut because they don't have a Powerful Adviser like Al Haymon backing them
                      You want a RR problem where she is literally out of opponents in a month and is in the prime of her career?

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