Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Expects To Start Training in November, December

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Laying the groundwork? Protecting his investment?
Tell me two things:
1) Didn't he miss the best opportunity to pull the shoulder trump card post-Marquez? If so, then bob isn't as smart of an investor as I thought.
2) did pac miss a week's worth of sparring at a peak time? (this was confirmed by both camps btw in case you think that story was fabricated too)

1.) Not against Marquez because he wasn't built up to be a demon incarnate like Floyd was. Floyd was played out to be the antithesis of Pacquiao, while Marquez was billed as a close competitor. Marquez waxing Pacquiao didn't mean nearly as much as Mayweather schooling him for twelve rounds, why? Marquez is not a showman, he's a workman so the scenarios played out differently. Floyd is flamboyant, annoying, ****y and ready to back up his words in the ring.

2.) I don't know what Pac missed and why. All I know is he showed up to the fight looking like he was ready to go, no reticence or anything suggesting he wasn't 100%. Could you provide the link to where Mayweather's side confirmed anything about missed sparring for that length of time?

I just think that your leap in reasoning with the conspiracy theory seems further than the notion that pac re-injured his shoulder in training for the biggest fight of his career. Did a rush job of healing bc neither camp could pull out of the fight. They requested a shot to deaden the pain, got denied. Pac lost a lackluster fight. Both fighters were reduced to the lowest punch outputs of their careers. Pac sees this and thinks, maybe if that shoulder injury hadn't happened a few weeks prior...and they run with that. Why is that so hard to consider.

Absolute nonsense of course, one guy regularly holds his opponents to a low output (Mayweather), while the other is know for throwing a maximum amount of punches and getting hit in the process (Pacquiao). Who do you think was consistent?

Also, arum knows pack is about to retire. Win or lose vs Floyd, his stock remains the same. Pac is like gatti in that sense. He's given us too many wars for us not to remember, and appreciate him.
If arum was so 'certain' that pad was going to lose, then why did Floyd not completely obliterate pac? It was an ugly fight where Floyd controlled the ugliness. He certainly won, but let's not act like it was a rout.
Finally, why did Floyd immediately say that he'd give pac a rematch right after the fight? He knew that neither guy opened up to see what the other was really made of. It was a disappointment.

Sorry, but when you lose like Pac did, like Gatti did to Mayweather, no your stock isn't the same. If it were there would be no need for an endless and constant barrage of excuses from Manny and his fans....

[doom_specialist]

Recovery time will of course differ based on the person and severity of the tear, but a "severe" tear on a 36 year old seems like it should need a little more than 5 or so months to heal. Especially when the injury is supposedly not new, and was aggravated during the fight.

That said, Floyd Mayweather tore his rotator cuff in Castillo I, and was back in the ring with him less than 8 months later putting on a clinic, so it's definitely not farfetched. It just seems a little su****ious given Pacquiao's age, and nature of the injury. I'm not a doctor though, so whatevs.

[nveleven]

1.) Not against Marquez because he wasn't built up to be a demon incarnate like Floyd was. Floyd was played out to be the antithesis of Pacquiao, while Marquez was billed as a close competitor. Marquez waxing Pacquiao didn't mean nearly as much as Mayweather schooling him for twelve rounds, why? Marquez is not a showman, he's a workman so the scenarios played out differently. Floyd is flamboyant, annoying, ****y and ready to back up his words in the ring.

2.) I don't know what Pac missed and why. All I know is he showed up to the fight looking like he was ready to go, no reticence or anything suggesting he wasn't 100%. Could you provide the link to where Mayweather's side confirmed anything about missed sparring for that length of time?



Absolute nonsense of course, one guy regularly holds his opponents to a low output (Mayweather), while the other is know for throwing a maximum amount of punches and getting hit in the process (Pacquiao). Who do you think was consistent?



Sorry, but when you lose like Pac did, like Gatti did to Mayweather, no your stock isn't the same. If it were there would be no need for an endless and constant barrage of excuses from Manny and his fans....

1) If by demon, you mean Floyd going around repeatedly saying that he is the best boxer in the history of the world, throwing money around, and hitting women (ask his own child who said so), then I concede, he was demonized (as anyone should be in any civilized society for being an arrogant, greedy, wife-beater).
So I agree with you that Floyd demonized himself outside of the ring. Minus the outside-of-the-ring persona though, Floyd would NEVER have become a PPV star. Period. People didn't shell out millions to watch an Olympic-style boxer. They shelled out millions to see a fight (or in mayweather's case, in the hopes that someone would crack him with a Mosleyesque shot. But most knew that Floyd would turn it into a boring fight with limited engagement. Floyd also knew this, and consequently knew that he had to make up a role to play WWE style. That's what made him a mega star.
Pac-Marquez IV was an enormous fight, and generated WAY more interest post-fight, than did post-pac/mayweather. Which makes the point, and I'll concede yours to do so, bob played this implied trump card at the wrong time.

2) the fact that you're asking for a link, suggests to me that you are coming to a debate grossly uninformed. All the same, the first 90 seconds should be enlightening for you:
https://*************/watch?v=cso5HQp51_c

3) so you'll concede then, that Floyd only showed up to do just enough to get a boring, ugly W? Come on, man. Floyd is a phenomenal athlete AND most of all, a competitor. He loves money and blah, blah, but on the real, Floyd came into this fight wanting to **** manny up (and vice versa). Then, when the bell sounded, both guys pretty much continued doing what they'd been doing for the past 5 years: circling each other, and engaging only with extreme caution.
I'd hardly call that a schooling. I'm a pac fan (and I have certain Floyd fights that I love dearly btw), and if he'd won like Floyd did, I would want an immediate rematch. This win was lackluster and disappointing, no matter who got the W (hardly a schooling)

4) comparing pac's loss to mayweather, to gatti's loss to mayweather is far-fetched (at best). The only reason I made the gatti analogy was to suggest that his stock remained high after several losses, that is to suggest that he is a people's champion. Mayweather could have been in that moment if he'd been willing to engage with pac, in search of a truly dominant win. Yeah, his most dedicated haters would've still hated, but he would've won over a **** load more than what he did (which is close to nil). I, for one, was ready to see a dominant win from one over the other. I was hoping for the best to come out of at least one of them (we got nothing of the sort).
But if you want me to consider the possibility that the shoulder was all one conspiracy conjured up by Bob weeks before the fight, then I will. I suggest you engage in the same intellectual reflexercise

[Jerzz]

Just pull a Floyd, pick a Berto or something of the like. Have the fight back home and call it a career whether you win the senate seat or not. Boxing needs to move on from these two guys.

Would Paulie Malignaggi sell better than Berto?

[Jake_Lamotta]

Kobe Bryant was out 9 months after his shoulder surgery. That shows you the difference between a legit, serious injury and what Pacquiao is claiming.

One of the most ******ed post so far in this thread.


Not every injury is alike. Not everyone has the same amount of tear. Not everyone shares the same healing factor.


There's no definite timeline for any recoveries. SMH

[aboutfkntime]

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1) if by demon, you mean Floyd going around repeatedly saying that he is the best boxer in the history of the world, throwing money around, and hitting women (ask his own child who said so), then I concede--he was demonized (as anyone should be for being arrogant, greedy, & a wife-beater).

I don't watch sports to admire the moral virtues of men, who they sleep with or how they behave. If that were true, I'd have no way to "morally" negotiate the world, everything would be a shadow of a contradiction. "Wife-beater?" Oh really, and how many lay hands on their women without leaving a mark? He's a human being that we hopefully watch for what he does in the ring and not out of, ya dig?

So I agree with you that Floyd demonized himself outside of the ring. Minus the outside-of-the-ring persona, Floyd would NEVER become a PPV star. Period. People didn't shell out millions to watch him an Olympic-style boxer. They shell out millions to see a fight (or in mayweather's case, in the hopes that someone would crack him with a Mosleyesque shot. But most knew that Floyd would turn it into a boring fight with limited engagement.

Yup, but it wasn't "boring" to people who appreciate the sport in terms of its intricacies and not solely by its shocking results. This is sort of the age we live in though, people want to look into other people's lives, that's what 24/ did so well. Fans want something in addition to the raw give and take of the sport.

Pac-Marquez IV was an enormous fight, and generated WAY more interest post-fight, than did post-pac/may weather. Which makes the point, (if I concede yours), bob played this implied trump card at the wrong time.

It generated way more interest post-fight because it was competitive. When Marquez and Manny met in the ring, they were so evenly matched in some ways there were question marks as to the outcome.

2) the fact that you're asking for a link, says to me that you are coming to a debate uninformed. All the same, the first 90 seconds should be enlightening for you:
https://*************/watch?v=cso5HQp51_c

Ummmmmm, yeah, seen this already ummmmm nothing in the link proved your point outside of the fact that Mayweather said he had spies in Manny's camp. Floyd was openly talking about the fight game, which, no one aquainted with the sport would be shocked about. manny's technique is apparent, his level of dedication and commitemnt isn't.

3)so you'll concede then, that Floyd only showed up to do just enough to get a boring, ugly W? Come on, man. Floyd is a phenomenal athlete AND most of all, a competitor. He loves money and blah, blah, but on the real, Floyd came into this fight wanting to **** manny up. Then, when the bell sounded, both guys pretty much continued doing what they'd been doing for the past 5 years: circling each other, and engaging only with extreme caution.

I can concede this, with one point however, one guy is known for being a punching blitzkrieg, while the other is known for dodging said punches. One guy looked like he always does, while the other missed a lot of punches. Is it really that surprising? Joshua Clottey stood right in front of him, yet Manny missed over 1000 punches.

If hardly call that a schooling. I'm a pac fan, and if he'd won like Floyd, I would want an immediate relationship. This win was lackluster and disappointing, no matter who got the W.

Floyd fought how he always does and looked superb in the process, it's only those who invested anything more substantial than hope in Manny that are truly disappointed.

4) comparing pac's loss to mayweather's to gatti's loss to mayweather is far-fetched (at best). The only reason I made the gatti analogy was to suggest that his stock remained high after several losses, that is to suggest that he is a people's champion. Mayweather could have been if he'd been willing to engage with pac in search of a truly dominant win. Yeah, his haters would've still hated, but he would've won over a *** load more than what he did (which is close to nil)

Pacquiao's stock only remained high as long as fans imagined he would beat Floyd, but I don't think the same is true now, which is my point. He may be the people's champion but the people have seen him humbled and speechless.

Mayweather didn't seek a win that you would call "dominant" but he managed to dominate the scorecards, not necessarily an accurate reflection of reality for you but in this case it was for me.

[Zaroku]

1.) Not against Marquez because he wasn't built up to be a demon incarnate like Floyd was. Floyd was played out to be the antithesis of Pacquiao, while Marquez was billed as a close competitor. Marquez waxing Pacquiao didn't mean nearly as much as Mayweather schooling him for twelve rounds, why? Marquez is not a showman, he's a workman so the scenarios played out differently. Floyd is flamboyant, annoying, ****y and ready to back up his words in the ring.

2.) I don't know what Pac missed and why. All I know is he showed up to the fight looking like he was ready to go, no reticence or anything suggesting he wasn't 100%. Could you provide the link to where Mayweather's side confirmed anything about missed sparring for that length of time?



Absolute nonsense of course, one guy regularly holds his opponents to a low output (Mayweather), while the other is know for throwing a maximum amount of punches and getting hit in the process (Pacquiao). Who do you think was consistent?



Sorry, but when you lose like Pac did, like Gatti did to Mayweather, no your stock isn't the same. If it were there would be no need for an endless and constant barrage of excuses from Manny and his fans....

I agree. The point about the Mayweather loss being bigger than the Marquez KO loss is spot on. There was no wiggle room with Marquez, as they were serious in ring rivals. The emphatic KO was one thing. Manny & Floyd were media rivals, more than anything else. Floyd won easily, but manny finished on his feet, which give his ardent fans the wiggle room to question. The TUE after the fact doesn't help either. More wiggle room. One arm Manny, more wiggle room.

Adding the poorly fitting socks, more wiggle room.

For PAC a maniacs, all. Of these factors, coupled with slow motion video, proves the result of the fight is inconclusive. Thus making it harder to face. His P4P rival beat him, and this is not possible in their minds.

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I agree. The point about the Mayweather loss being bigger than the Marquez KO loss is spot on. There was no wiggle room with Marquez, as they were serious in ring rivals. The emphatic KO was one thing. Manny & Floyd were media rivals, more than anything else. Floyd won easily, but manny finished on his feet, which give his ardent fans the wiggle room to question. The TUE after the fact doesn't help either. More wiggle room. One arm Manny, more wiggle room.

Adding the poorly fitting socks, more wiggle room.

For PAC a maniacs, all. Of these factors, coupled with slow motion video, proves the result of the fight is inconclusive. Thus making it harder to face. His P4P rival beat him, and this is not possible in their minds.

Yup, all some of Manny's fans needed was a little wiggle room in order for their skewed rational to have a foothold around sane people. This all feels like that moment in the Wizard of OZ when the small frail man behind the curtain is discovered to be the menacing head of flame.

Who's the man behind the curtain?

All that happened on May 2nd was that the great and magnificent Pacquiao got the curtain pulled back on him revealing the careful matchmaking that allowed him to escape being schooled five years ago by Mayweather. It must be a hard thing to find out that your idol is nothing more than a commercial simulacrum constructed out of smoke, mirrors and obfuscation.

[Zaroku]

Yup, all some of Manny's fans needed was a little wiggle room in order for their skewed rational to have a foothold around sane people. This all feels like that moment in the Wizard of OZ when the small frail man behind the curtain is discovered to be the menacing head of flame.

Who's the man behind the curtain?

All that happened on May 2nd was that the great and magnificent Pacquiao got the curtain pulled back on him revealing the careful matchmaking that allowed him to escape being schooled five years ago by Mayweather. It must be a hard thing to find out that your idol is nothing more than a commercial simulacrum constructed out of smoke, mirrors and obfuscation.

Well written, accurate, and funny. It is only funny because the Maniacs make it comical. I enjoy laughing, challenging strongly held beliefs. But the Wiggle point I love the best is the tight socks! Can someone, anyone send me any link about these conspiratorial socks, did PAC really say that??

Did he really say God revealed it to him before the fight he would lose???
OMG, LMAO.

Marquez beat delusions, suicidal ideation, and a belief in evil socks & Santa clause into the PACster.

I might call in sick tomorrow, tight socks, God talking to me, and knowing I can't beat Ployd. Didn't he make commercials or videos acting like Ployd wouldn't Fight him??

Tight socks video please!