Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Expects To Start Training in November, December

[aboutfkntime]

No disrespect cuz but that would make sense if they hadn't tried to get a shot for it before the fight or hadn't stopped his camp for like two weeks. He got beaten that's undeniable but all these theories about a shoulder injury? He got flat out robbed vs Bradley and took that like a man why would he fake an injury over a 9 figure payday? Losing has never actually hurt his stock.

Fair point about the injection..... but the difference between those fights is that Pac knows he beat Bradley.

[Nightfall]

pacquiao vs brook in the U.K.

[Slip Stream]

Man, I'm not sure that you're giving enough credit to the adrenaline factor. Biggest fight of a person's life, entire nation on his shoulders, and he already has an extremely high pain threshold (as does Floyd). Pain is all in your head. It's once you start fixating on it that it hits like a bomb. I think of innumerable examples of this, but a classic boxing one is when gatti breaks his right hand against ward in the third fight. Not only does he tough it out, but he starts throwing it with ferocity again several rounds later.
Was pac's shoulder injury as major as they're claiming? Who knows? My guess is no. But they did request the shot BEFORE the fight and he had to quit sparring during a peak week. Roach even voiced concern publicly.
Facts are facts. The rest is just conjecture.

I still can't buy it though. They may have requested a shot, but in my way of thinking it was little more than laying the groundwork for an excuse should Pacquiao come up short and he did. Bob knew Manny was going to lose, he absolutely knew it, and a man as smart as he is protects his investments as I was saying before.

Maybe adrenaline was the reason and Manny was under so much pressure he forgot he had a severe injury to his shoulder, but my best guess is that wasn't and isn't the case. Watching a man throw a punch and raise his arms isn't conjecture, hearing other fighters talk about the improbability of the injury isn't conjecture. A long history of Bob Arum's lies and obfuscations isn't conjecture.

Given the factors I'm working with I think I'm being more than reasonable.

[Robbie Barrett]

A couple of months back, both Arum and Pacquiao made comments indicating that Manny had 3 fights left.

Call me a skeptic, but I still believe that to be the case.

I believe the recent reports of Pacs pending retirement have been " exaggerated ".

I believe that they will fight a " Berto "..... and then regardless as to the result of the election next year, Manny will " decide " to fight on.

Just imho, could be wrong.

If people keep buying he'll keep fighting. Pacquiao isn't retiring anytime soon, too many bills and expenses.

[aboutfkntime]

There's gonna be a lot of talk about Floyd and Amir, but in the end, I think it will be Crawford or maybe Sadam Ali, either one @ 144. I really don't think Arum wants to deal with Haymon, but I think Haymon has given his guys the green light! I doubt Manny fights anyone @ 147.

I think he will fight A Top Rank guy at 144.

[Valetudo7]

No disrespect cuz but that would make sense if they hadn't tried to get a shot for it before the fight or hadn't stopped his camp for like two weeks. He got beaten that's undeniable but all these theories about a shoulder injury? He got flat out robbed vs Bradley and took that like a man why would he fake an injury over a 9 figure payday? Losing has never actually hurt his stock.

Lol. He never provided any evidence of injury such as an MRI to the commission. On top of that, he checked 'no' when asked about injury. On top of that, the commission said they do not give anti inflammatory shots because they thin the blood and make you bleed more when cut. Thus, since Manny was randomly tested, it only leads one logicall reason as to why he wanted the Tardol shot.---numbs the body and increases agression. Only chance he had vs floyd?. Look at all the issues and articles, lawsuits tardol has accounted for with the nfl. Google it. Be smart, bro.

[nveleven]

Lol. He never provided any evidence of injury such as an MRI to the commission. On top of that, he checked 'no' when asked about injury. On top of that, the commission said they do not give anti inflammatory shots because they thin the blood and make you bleed more when cut. Thus, since Manny was randomly tested, it only leads one logicall reason as to why he wanted the Tardol shot.---numbs the body and increases agression. Only chance he had vs floyd?. Look at all the issues and articles, lawsuits tardol has accounted for with the nfl. Google it. Be smart, bro.

While you're googling it, try googling the fact that he skipped a week of sparring during one of his peak sparring weeks. Roach was publicly concerned, and there was a LOT of chatter on here about whether or not Pac was going to pull out with an injury (google it). What's so hard to believe about a guy who's training for the biggest fight of his life, and aggravating an old injury? It's not that crazy to imagine. Would pac have still lost without an injured shoulder? Who knows? From what I saw, I'd say so. But Floyd didn't exactly put on a clinic. He fought scared and was reduced to the lowest punch output of his career. Would pac with a completely healthy shoulder have been able to win two or three of those closer, uglier rounds? Maybe.
I understand having favorite fighters and styles. But I don't understand people's unwillingness to admit that the other side's argument might be a possibility. By doing so, you're not conceding defeat of any kind. You're just being objective.

[ShoulderRoll]

Kobe Bryant was out 9 months after his shoulder surgery. That shows you the difference between a legit, serious injury and what Pacquiao is claiming.

[Johnny2x2x]

Someone needs to let Pacquiao know how severe of an injury Pacquaii suffered. He severely tore his rotator cuff. It was a severe tear and he won't be able to start training for a minimum of 9 months. My word why doesn't someone tell Pacquiao how severe of an injury Pacquiao had. It was extremely severely severe, he won't be doing any training for 9 months after severe surgery, mid February at the absolute earliest.

We need to start a campaign to let Pacquiao know the severity of his extremely severe injury.

[nveleven]

I still can't buy it though. They may have requested a shot, but in my way of thinking it was little more than laying the groundwork for an excuse should Pacquiao come up short and he did. Bob knew Manny was going to lose, he absolutely knew it, and a man as smart as he is protects his investments as I was saying before.

Maybe adrenaline was the reason and Manny was under so much pressure he forgot he had a severe injury to his shoulder, but my best guess is that wasn't and isn't the case. Watching a man throw a punch and raise his arms isn't conjecture, hearing other fighters talk about the improbability of the injury isn't conjecture. A long history of Bob Arum's lies and obfuscations isn't conjecture.

Given the factors I'm working with I think I'm being more than reasonable.

Laying the groundwork? Protecting his investment?
Tell me two things:
1) Didn't he miss the best opportunity to pull the shoulder trump card post-Marquez? If so, then bob isn't as smart of an investor as I thought.
2) did pac miss a week's worth of sparring at a peak time? (this was confirmed by both camps btw in case you think that story was fabricated too). So you're suggesting that bob was so sure of pac's defeat that he told him to fake an injury during a peak training week? All to protect his investment? And pac & roach were cool with that? Come on, man. Sit with that for a few.

I just think that your leap in reasoning with the conspiracy theory seems further than the notion that pac re-injured his shoulder in training for the biggest fight of his career. Did a rush job of healing bc neither camp could pull out of the fight. They requested a shot to deaden the pain, got denied. Pac lost a lackluster fight. Both fighters were reduced to the lowest punch outputs of their careers. Pac sees this and thinks, maybe if that shoulder injury hadn't happened a few weeks prior...and they run with that. Why is that so hard to consider.

Also, arum knows Pac is about to retire. Win or lose vs Floyd, his stock remains the same. Pac is like gatti in that sense. He's given us too many wars for us not to remember, and appreciate him.
If arum was so 'certain' that his fighter was going to lose, then why did Floyd not completely obliterate him? It was an ugly fight where Floyd controlled the ugliness. He certainly won, but let's not act like it was a rout.
Finally, why did Floyd immediately say that he'd give pac a rematch right after the fight? He knew that neither guy opened up to see what the other was really made of. It was a disappointment.