Comments Thread For: Lemieux Coach Downs Sanchez's Boasts of GGG's Ring IQ

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Although I agree that Abel strictly gave him that style, it wasn't when he turned pro, it was in 2010.

However, that is kinda my point. GGG has a varied skill set that goes beyond just aggressive.

He has a great counter jab.
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Because GGG is a pressure fighter, he needs to have a good jab, and he does. Not so much powerful jab, although it is, it's the intelligent use of it both offensively and defensively that limits his opponents power and opens up the offense. GGG will cover his opponent’s lead hand as he throws his jab. So while he uses his jab, it is not always in an offensive manner. It just always looks like it, keeping his opponent from knowing what is coming.

The jab and shoulder often redirects his opponent's throws, either past his head or they hit with a fraction of the power. Making it look like he is getting hit.

That's what I mean, and many of his opponents have attested too.

They say when you think you are landing, it's party after GGG has blunted the power.

GGG also uses a side-step, and subtle slips to angle off to his left or right, leading to devastating body shots or powerful uppercut.

In doing so he takes himself a position that gives him the advantage to to deliver the powerful left hook, which often does his opponent in.

Also, GGG switches stance while throwing power shots, keeping himself in balance.

It is actually a remarkable display by GGG, who shows he has the ability to end a fight quickly, but can be adept defensively too. What may look like GGG being reckless and off-balance, is all part of a superb aggressive offense and defense. He does it while being completely calm and controlled.

Not to mention how he cuts off the ring.

I understand all the intricacies of GGG''s defense, but you're making him out to be some kind of defensive genius when he really isn't. GGG's offense makes his defense look dynamic, because it forces his opponents to move and punch which reduces strength and accuracy, which makes it easier for GGG to parry and roll. And lets be honest, there hasn't been an opponent that forced GGG to be defensive because they haven't been that good. The only time GGG was not extremely aggressive and had an opportunity to showcase his defense, was in the early rounds of the Stevens fight. GGG decided to box from the outside and picked his spots. If GGG's aggressive defense was as dynamic as you claim then he would have utilized it through out the Stevens fight. The truth is GGG only defends that way when his opponent is not a threat, which is because he gets hit alot when he defends that way.

GGG's true Defense is his dynamic offense, and there's nothing wrong with that, Pac made a HOF career off of it.

[MDPopescu]

I agree. GGG has an aggressive defense like a Chavez Sr or even Tyson. He's really good at rolling with shots to take steam off of them and the switching you mentioned is known as "shifting". Not many do it anymore. I think Duran used to do it a lot as well as Hagler...both of which also had aggressive defenses.

... Which leads us to accept that Golovkin has no IQ whatsoever.

(I wonder if many posters really understand what you were telling hereabove... )

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I understand all the intricacies of GGG''s defense, but you're making him out to be some kind of defensive genius when he really isn't. GGG's offense makes his defense look dynamic, because it forces his opponents to move and punch which reduces strength and accuracy, which makes it easier for GGG to parry and roll. And lets be honest, there hasn't been an opponent that forced GGG to be defensive because they haven't been that good. The only time GGG was not extremely aggressive and had an opportunity to showcase his defense, was in the early rounds of the Stevens fight. GGG decided to box from the outside and picked his spots. If GGG's aggressive defense was as dynamic as you claim then he would have utilized it through out the Stevens fight. The truth is GGG only defends that way when his opponent is not a threat, which is because he gets hit alot when he defends that way.

GGG's true Defense is his dynamic offense, and there's nothing wrong with that, Pac made a HOF career off of it.

He did use it against Stevens.

And he has gotten better at using it.

I hardly think he is a defensive genius, but I will say for the aggressive style, he has one of the best I've seen.

That style automatically leaves him open for ****s, that's why the other things have to be strong.

Which is why after 400+ fights, and no one has landed clean enough to stun or hurt him, that says a lot.

Even 33 pro fights says a lot.

I think it's these tangibles that scare people away, and not his power.

It's how he wields the power.

It's his ability to seemingly walk through punches, which actually isn't what he is doing, but you know.

I've seen way better defense-excluding clincher, holder, types.

But when it comes to being aggressive and defending, it's quite impressive.


I'll add that's why Abel wanted to train him, because he seen he had ability to do some great things.

I will be interested to see how it translates against Canelo, Lee, and in the SMW.

Because when he moves up to 168, I think he gets stronger, and already doesn't rely on speed.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

He did use it against Stevens.

And he has gotten better at using it.

I hardly think he is a defensive genius, but I will say for the aggressive style, he has one of the best I've seen.

That style automatically leaves him open for ****s, that's why the other things have to be strong.

Which is why after 400+ fights, and no one has landed clean enough to stun or hurt him, that says a lot.

Even 33 pro fights says a lot.

I think it's these tangibles that scare people away, and not his power.

It's how he wields the power.

It's his ability to seemingly walk through punches, which actually isn't what he is doing, but you know.

I've seen way better defense-excluding clincher, holder, types.

But when it comes to being aggressive and defending, it's quite impressive.


I'll add that's why Abel wanted to train him, because he seen he had ability to do some great things.

I will be interested to see how it translates against Canelo, Lee, and in the SMW.

Because when he moves up to 168, I think he gets stronger, and already doesn't rely on speed.

Opponents don't run from GGG because of his defense, or how he utilizes it, they run from him because of his offense and his power. They constantly move, It's the reason their accuracy, and power reduces and why GGG's defense looks impressive to you. I think his defense is ok, serviceable for his style of fighting, but it is not impressive.

[MDPopescu]

I understand all the intricacies of GGG''s defense, but you're making him out to be some kind of defensive genius when he really isn't. GGG's offense makes his defense look dynamic, because it forces his opponents to move and punch which reduces strength and accuracy, which makes it easier for GGG to parry and roll. And lets be honest, there hasn't been an opponent that forced GGG to be defensive because they haven't been that good. The only time GGG was not extremely aggressive and had an opportunity to showcase his defense, was in the early rounds of the Stevens fight. GGG decided to box from the outside and picked his spots. If GGG's aggressive defense was as dynamic as you claim then he would have utilized it through out the Stevens fight. The truth is GGG only defends that way when his opponent is not a threat, which is because he gets hit alot when he defends that way.

GGG's true Defense is his dynamic offense, and there's nothing wrong with that, Pac made a HOF career off of it.

In order to better understand, you should have watched more the likes of Tunney, Duran, Chavez Sr, even Hagler...

[KnickTillDeaTh]

He did use it against Stevens.

And he has gotten better at using it.

I hardly think he is a defensive genius, but I will say for the aggressive style, he has one of the best I've seen.

That style automatically leaves him open for ****s, that's why the other things have to be strong.

Which is why after 400+ fights, and no one has landed clean enough to stun or hurt him, that says a lot.

Even 33 pro fights says a lot.

I think it's these tangibles that scare people away, and not his power.

It's how he wields the power.

It's his ability to seemingly walk through punches, which actually isn't what he is doing, but you know.

I've seen way better defense-excluding clincher, holder, types.

But when it comes to being aggressive and defending, it's quite impressive.


I'll add that's why Abel wanted to train him, because he seen he had ability to do some great things.

I will be interested to see how it translates against Canelo, Lee, and in the SMW.

Because when he moves up to 168, I think he gets stronger, and already doesn't rely on speed.

Let me give you am example of what I mean. Mike Tyson who had an agressive defense, he used a beautiful bob and weave/dip and roll defense. Everyone thought Tyson had very good defense, but the reality is that Tyson's defense looked good because of his offense. Fighters did not engage foward, they moved away from Tyson, which lowered their power and accuracy which made Tyson's defense look superb. When Tyson fought fighters who were not affraid and stood they're ground, he got hit a lot and was exposed with many defensive deficiencies. Tyson was much better at defense then GGG is.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

In order to better understand, you should have watched more the likes of Tunney, Duran, Chavez Sr, even Hagler...

To compare GGG's defense to Hagler is asinine at best. Don't assume to know me or what I have watched. For anyone to disregard the fact that GGG's offensive pressure forces his opponents to punch while moving, there by reducing accuracy and power, making GGG's defense look far better then it actually is reveals a lack of boxing knowledge. GGG's defense is ok, its not world beating as you would have us believe.