Froch turned down a fight with Calzaghe.

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  • deathofaclown
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    #31
    Originally posted by imperial1
    Froch could have been his Tarver ..and I think domestically it would have done well you don't think ?
    No, nobody knew Froch then, he hadn't even fought Pascal, nevermind Taylor or the Super 6. He was very much unknown, not even the casual fan would have known him then.

    Calzaghe rightly or wrongly was ranked like number 3 p4p in the world at the time, had he took on Froch it would have been considered something of a joke because Froch was only fighting domestically defending his British title up to that point.

    The fact is their career paths never really crossed. One was leaving the sport just before one was stepping up through the levels.

    I'm not saying the fight couldn't have happened if Froch was offered it, lets be fair, Calzaghe fought Manfredo. But at no point could it have ever been a big fight, it would have just been seen as another Calzaghe defence and Froch just another opponent at the time. That's not a disrespect to Froch, he hadn't even had that many fights and was still a domestic fighter. A good fighter but yet to make any name for himself
    Last edited by deathofaclown; 10-03-2015, 03:22 PM.

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    • imperial1
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      #32
      Originally posted by deathofaclown
      No, nobody knew Froch then, he hadn't even fought Pascal, nevermind Taylor or the Super 6. He was very much unknown, not even the casual fan would have known him then.

      Calzaghe rightly or wrongly was ranked like number 3 p4p in the world at the time, had he took on Froch it would have been considered something of a joke because Froch was only fighting domestically defending his British title up to that point.

      The fact is their career paths never really crossed. One was leaving the sport just before one was stepping up through the levels.
      When he became his mandatory ?

      No one knew who he was ? I mean this is the guy who pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson yet ends up fighting a guy like Peter Manfredo ?

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        #33
        Originally posted by imperial1
        When he became his mandatory ?

        No one knew who he was ? I mean this is the guy who pulled out of 3 fights with Glen Johnson yet ends up fighting a guy like Peter Manfredo ?

        I actually just mentioned that in an edited post the same time you replied.

        But it's true, look at the facts. Nobody knew Carl Froch enough to make it a big fight. He would have been considered just another opponent because he hadn't earned any form of reputation yet, simple as that. Froch's prime and fame came after Calzaghe.

        It might have been a good fight and Carl was still good but the absolute fact is that up until then he had only fought Domestic level. Nothing that came after that can change that fact.

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          #34
          Didn't watch the interview they say what years the offer was made.

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            #35
            Originally posted by MRBOOMER
            Didn't watch the interview they say what years the offer was made.
            Sounds like it was around the time Carl fought Bika/Manfredo

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              #36
              Originally posted by imperial1
              Froch could have been his Tarver ..and I think domestically it would have done well you don't think ?
              His Tarver? What does that mean?

              No matter how well it would have done domestically - which wouldn't have been anything exceptional because Carl Froch was virtually unknown at the time - it wouldn't have been anywhere close to the Hopkins fight. Do you not get that?

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                #37
                Originally posted by deathofaclown
                No, nobody knew Froch then, he hadn't even fought Pascal, nevermind Taylor or the Super 6. He was very much unknown, not even the casual fan would have known him then.

                Calzaghe rightly or wrongly was ranked like number 3 p4p in the world at the time, had he took on Froch it would have been considered something of a joke because Froch was only fighting domestically defending his British title up to that point.

                The fact is their career paths never really crossed. One was leaving the sport just before one was stepping up through the levels.

                I'm not saying the fight couldn't have happened if Froch was offered it, lets be fair, Calzaghe fought Manfredo. But at no point could it have ever been a big fight, it would have just been seen as another Calzaghe defence and Froch just another opponent at the time. That's not a disrespect to Froch, he hadn't even had that many fights and was still a domestic fighter. A good fighter but yet to make any name for himself
                I honestly think that some people weren't following boxing at the time. They think of Carl Froch as the huge name he is now. It took him until the Bute fight for him to really become a star. That was what? 2012?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                  I honestly think that some people weren't following boxing at the time. They think of Carl Froch as the huge name he is now. It took him until the Bute fight for him to really become a star. That was what? 2012?
                  I think thats it. Some seem to have a hard time understanding that boxers weren't always at the level they're currently at and that some fighters careers don't really cross paths. I mean, Froch was largely unknown until probably the Super 6 was happening, or the Taylor fight before it. Calzaghe already had his pipe and slippers (well, his coke and rolled up £50 ) and retired by then

                  Calzaghe and Froch get linked together mostly because Froch often called out Calzaghe even when he's retired, and then later because Froch become a successful SMW from the UK taking over from Calzaghe. At no point were they ever top fighters at the same time, it is what it is.

                  The only way it would have made big money is if Calzaghe had come out of retirement like 3 or 4 years after he retired. That's the truth of it.
                  Last edited by deathofaclown; 10-03-2015, 04:08 PM.

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                  • Clegg
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                    #39
                    The offer was in 2007. There was a thread on here about it back then, only got 5 replies. Around the same time Calzaghe also offered a fight to Jermain Taylor, that thread got 250+ replies

                    Given the lack of clarification on the terms of Frank Warren’s offer for British and Commonwealth super middleweight champion Carl Froch to challenge WBO champi


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                      #40
                      Until Froch fought and beat Pascal, he just wasn't worthy yet and just wasn't marketable. That fight is what got his ball rolling and pushed him toward being a domestic star. By then Joe was on a beach drinking pina collada's saying, "hello honey!".

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