Comments Thread For: Roach: Cotto is True Test For Golovkin, Not Lemieux

[hyeduk]

Roach is delusional. Lemiuex would beat Cotto with one hand. yeah call me crazy but Cotto is too small for David. Even Canelo!

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Problem is Cotto is a Female Dog (Rymes with ditch), and won't fight

GGG even when repeatedly ordered to do so.

Roach knows Canelo is about to be MW champion for a second.

One pretender to the next, but hey, they can't run forever.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Most of you all have Brown eyes for a reason, but some here get it

Well, the so called "true test" will never come, let's just leave it at that.

If he beats Lem, he will suddenly become a bum. If he beats Cotto, he will become too small. If he beats Canelo, he will become too green. Lol, I even think if he'd beat Ward, he would become too inactive..even though I think he would lose that fight..

When the knockout streak will eventually come to an end then people will say "he looked bad","age is showing up" because now its just too standard he knocks his opponent out.

Anyway boxers and fighters in general from Russia (or from other ex-Soviet countries) seem unhumanly strong at this time. Would be interesting to know if this is just pure variance, some dope or just my illusion.

Agree with vast majority of what you said.

However, I do think GGG once he moves up to 168 and fights Ward at 168, would have a decent chance of winning. Ward can hold, but I'm not sure he can handle the power.

Smith landed one that made him body hug or barrel roll Smith.

Even a hall of fame trainer notices what others try not to notice. This is a mis-match, a waste of time, exactly what others on here accuse PBC of, AND its ppv? Just put on a mask and pull a gun, if youre gonna rob people.

It's way better than the last PPV, or most of Floyd's.

So golovkin unifying with another title holder,who's coming off of a 9 fight win streak is a mismatch and a waste of time? That actually says one of two things; either everyone at middleweight is terrible,and ggg is the only decent fighter,or ggg is so good,that he makes all the other fighters look like bums.

The latter is partly true. A lot of talent became bums after fighting GGG.

I'm merely commenting on what a Hall of Fame trainer has noticed because I believe it to be true, and yes middleweight is TERRIBLE. Even worse than the Heavyweight division this guy got beat by RUBIO

Umm, fighters do get better.

Yeah terrible. A 22 year old fighter with 20 or so fights steps up in class to fight a TOP 10 fighter with 50+ fights including World Championship fights ... and loses. Yes I know Lemieux was favored to win but still Rubio fought like a veteran. He let Lemieux gas out and then pounced on him. This is what happens sometimes to young prospects when they step up in class.

I don't think middleweight has been a bad division over the years. In fact, over the last 5 years its had a lot of good talent. The problem is that the top fighters have not been facing each other.

Now I happen to think that GGG should be able to stop Lemieux. GGG has more power than Rubio, a far better offense than Rubio, and has (in my opinion) a far better defense than his detractors give him credit for. Is GGG a defensive fighter. No, but neither was Joe Frazier nor Mike Tyson and both had defensive skills.

Still the value of this fight is the belt that Lemieux holds more than Lemieux himself.

GGG isn't a defensive fighter, but he has the best defense for an aggressive fighter I've seen in a long time. He uses slight movement, misdirecting his opponents throws, and a pesky jab.

As more time passes by, I am starting to believe we will actually see Cotto vs Golovkin next year. Roach seems to be playing up that fight for the near future, as much as he talks about Cotto and Golovkin. Loefler also mentioned he thinks Cotto would fight Golovkin, especially if he stops Canelo. If Cotto/Canelo ends up being close and goes to a decision, a rematch may be more likely, which is why I think Loefler mentioned that if Cotto stops Canelo, then he would see Cotto vs Golovkin come to fruition.

I don't, GGG has been Cotto's mandatory for two fights now.

there is no doubt canelo and cotto and the real tests for ggg not over hyped lemiuex i agree. its just a shame that his biggest tests he is way bigger then but that shouldnt stop the fights from happening. Im not one those that think cotto is ducking ggg its obvious cotto and canelo was the fight they were working on had nothing to do with ducking ggg but it sure as hell is going to be interesting to see what the winner of cotto canelo will do. i actually think there is a better chance for cotto ggg then canelo ggg but thats just me. I think if canelo wins oscar will work to get canelo lemieux in the ring get lemieux a ko win and set up canelo lemieux with the winner getting ggg or some garbage like that. well see tho but with ggg not willing to fight ward and what seems like an unwillingness for cotto and canelo to fight ggg its just frustrating

Cotto is smaller, but he is MW champion, lineal. Not GGG fault.

Canelo actually rehydrates bigger than GGG.

GGG was Cotto's mandatory for awhile, and Cotto has not sounded warm to the idea of fighting GGG at all.

They are trying to stem some of the anger Cotto gets for being a fraud azz MW chumpion, who hasn't actually fought at MW, and is fighting a guy who drains 20 pounds to fight smaller fighters.

Canelo wins against Cotto, then makes every excuse in the world to high tail his scared behind back to 154, where he drains 21 pounds before fighting former WW's, strictly smaller guys.

In fact, Canelo is quite literally doing what many claim GGG is doing.

Nope, Roach actually said they would love to fight lil g, if you like facts, but most people on here dont

He says it now, but GGG has been available and mandatory for quite some time.

Cotto never said he would. This is about those who call this fight a fraud. Neither of these guys have any businesses fighting for a Lineal MW belt.

Both will be making excuse after excuse, he'll they've already started, to not fight GGG.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Lame for 2 reasons.

1. You saying his fight is not a "True Test" at the same time he has been your mandatory who you been ducking for going on 2 years now.

2. Acting like Lemieux who is a world champ and top 5 ranked Middleweight by every credible boxing outlet is a "Nobody". Meanwhile Cotto has fought a cherry picked crippled fighter who also ducked GGG and GGG's leftovers.

So Roach keep your mouth shut until Cotto is ready to fight GGG. I like the Canelo fight but lets be real what Cotto is doing with the Middleweight belt is embarrassing. Holding it hostage. I like the Canelo fight but it should not be for the middleweight title. Both have been great at Jr Middleweight and below neither has proven anything at Middleweight.

Cotto defeated Martinez in June of 2014, we are in october of 2015, how the fhuck is that 2 years? Since winning the title he has faced Geale, and is about to defend against Canelo which is the fight everyone wanted. You talk **** about crazy Cotto fans but people lime you are far worst, purposely distorting facts to suit your false arguments. No one knows what's going to happen after these two fights, but what we do know is Roach wants the fight, Cotto said if the fight makes sense then GGG is next, thats far better then what we have heard from Canelo or GDB, and any one else for that matter.

Just stick the facts.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Lame for 2 reasons.

1. You saying his fight is not a "True Test" at the same time he has been your mandatory who you been ducking for going on 2 years now.

2. Acting like Lemieux who is a world champ and top 5 ranked Middleweight by every credible boxing outlet is a "Nobody". Meanwhile Cotto has fought a cherry picked crippled fighter who also ducked GGG and GGG's leftovers.

So Roach keep your mouth shut until Cotto is ready to fight GGG. I like the Canelo fight but lets be real what Cotto is doing with the Middleweight belt is embarrassing. Holding it hostage. I like the Canelo fight but it should not be for the middleweight title. Both have been great at Jr Middleweight and below neither has proven anything at Middleweight.

Dead on!

This is ploy Cotto fans using. Downplaying GGG's next fight saying he will kill Lemieux. That way if GGG looks impressive they can downplay the performance. If GGG struggles or they say you see he's overated. Meanwhile we all know Cotto win or lose has no intentions of fighting GGG.

Right, Cotto fans have a hundred excuses why the guy with the Lineal MW belt is ok to duck the guy clearly best MW. If Cotto is too small for GGG,Nathan he is even more small against Canelo.

Cotto is way too small in order to represent a "test" for Golovkin...
But in case Canelo wins big time against Cotto, I don't see him fighting GGG next.

Cotto is the MW champ. Canelo is bigger than GGG. He rehydrates to 175.

after cotto beats canelo we will see hopefully ggg doesn't make 1,000 excuses

Get out of here. It's not GGG who has ducked his mandatory for two years. That would be Mr. Pretender. Cotto is the one who has chosen to not fight a MW, fight two non-mandatory fights.

Cotto isn't fighting GGG. He knows this.

I will say it for the 50th time, regardless of what happens in the Cotto/Canelo fight nor the GGG/Lemieux fight, Roach will never ever let Cotto near GGG. Everyone really needs to keep Cotto's last 3 opponents in mind. I don't think Cotto is even going to last the distance against Canelo much less GGG. Lemieux is a test for anyone with his power, regardless of any gaps in skill he has. When you hit as hard as he does, anyone can be a victim, it just takes one mistake. Do I think he will beat GGG? No. I see a mid-rounds stoppage for GGG probably. However, when you have atomic bombs in both hands like Lemieux does, nothing is ever out of the question. Listening to Roach is like listening to some homeless guy babble on the street about investing in the stock market or something lol. He has been wrong so many times for so many years its a major shock when he is actually right about something.

I'm not sure Lemieux hits that hard in both hands. He also swings very wide. That he can't do against GGG or it'll be a short fight.

GGG toughest test has been Curtis Stevenson who is an under sized MW and he had his moments. Lemieux is a straight forward fighter and although he has improved there's nothing special about him other than his power and he was overweight to me for the 30 day weigh in considering fight of this magnitude. Even if GGG beats Cotto he's still fighting a guy whose greatly undersized. Lara and Ward wanted to fight GGG which he declined. If GGG beats a Quillen who I honestly think is his biggest threat in the division that would be a statement. Beating Andy Lee would be a true test as well.

It's Stevens. And Stevens started as a SMW

Actually, His first four bouts were in the light heavyweight division before moving down to the super middleweight division, and then to MW.

Sometimes I wonder if people just make things up.

[quique24]

Roach is delusional. Lemiuex would beat Cotto with one hand. yeah call me crazy but Cotto is too small for David. Even Canelo!

The same Lemiuex that got stopped by one of Cotto's sparring partners? Really that guy? Your crazy as hell. Lemieux is an over hyped bum. GGG will show that on the 17th. Should Cotto get past Canelo, Cotto will give GGG a true test for sure.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Cotto defeated Martinez in June of 2014, we are in october of 2015, how the fhuck is that 2 years? Since winning the title he has faced Geale, and is about to defend against Canelo which is the fight everyone wanted. You talk **** about crazy Cotto fans but people lime you are far worst, purposely distorting facts to suit your false arguments. No one knows what's going to happen after these two fights, but what we do know is Roach wants the fight, Cotto said if the fight makes sense then GGG is next, thats far better then what we have heard from Canelo or GDB, and any one else for that matter.

Just stick the facts.

It's because by the time a GGG Cotto fight got made, it'd be two years.

And what's it matter if everyone wanted it, GGG deserved a shot.

For Roach to start yapping now, it's ******.

Especially considering Cotto is a Lineal MW champion who has never fought at 160. Who has been ducking his mandatory, the real MW champ.

And that's the point, Cotto says if it makes sense.

What doesn't make since, GGG is the damn mandatory. He is the guy who have two of the 4 belts that matter.

Cotto could be attempting to prove he can fight MW, instead he goes for money.

That's fine, but he lets stop pretending he has any intention on fighting GGG.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Cotto will never fight GGG

The same Lemiuex that got stopped by one of Cotto's sparring partners? Really that guy? Your crazy as hell. Lemieux is an over hyped bum. GGG will show that on the 17th. Should Cotto get past Canelo, Cotto will give GGG a true test for sure.

Not only won't he, but he'll vacate the belt and say it doesn't make sense.

Why, because Cotto wants to retire without brain damage,

Besides, it will be Canelo ducking GGG as mandatory after Nov.

[bigdunny1]

Originally Posted by bigdunny1 View Post
Lame for 2 reasons.

1. You saying his fight is not a "True Test" at the same time he has been your mandatory who you been ducking for going on 2 years now.

Cotto defeated Martinez in June of 2014, we are in october of 2015, how the fhuck is that 2 years? Since winning the title he has faced Geale, and is about to defend against Canelo which is the fight everyone wanted. You talk **** about crazy Cotto fans but people lime you are far worst, purposely distorting facts to suit your false arguments. No one knows what's going to happen after these two fights, but what we do know is Roach wants the fight, Cotto said if the fight makes sense then GGG is next, thats far better then what we have heard from Canelo or GDB, and any one else for that matter.

Just stick the facts.

I said going on 2 years. Learn to read. How is that not a fact? It's over a year so that means he's going on what? You guessed it 2 years. Cotto fights his next fight in Nov so even at the earliest it would not be ready till Spring of 2016. But going by Cotto's long layoffs more likely Summer of 2016. If Cotto is the true test then he should of fought GGG instead Roach wants to talk smack about who GGG is fighting while running from him at the same time. Sorry that is Lame!

And why would Canelo have to talk about GGG? Cotto is the belt holder who has had GGG as the mandatory , Cotto has a belt while avoiding the recognized best Middleweight in the world, that's why he is swarmed with the questions. Face it Cotto looks like a joke of Middleweight champ and that's why fans are bashing him for the catch weights and ducking mandatory.
If and when Canelo beats him and becomes champ we will see how he acts and he will be hit with tons of questions about will he fight GGG. I'll wait till then to judge him. But we don't need time for Cotto he has already made himself look like a clown.

[FeFist]

The way Roach is speaking has me believing he will train Golovkin in the future. Cotto's career is in its final stages and GGG would see it finished.