Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Mayweather's Finale Was a Little Firecracker

[aboutfkntime]

but, don't you think the very little (by floyd's standard or wealth) 600k was a considerable factor heading into jmm fight?

No, I dont. Mayweather is fkn rich.

The 2lbs was an issue, but not the 600k. That is why Mayweather chose to pay the 600k instead of trying to make the weight.

Roach > Beristain at negotiating.

The 10mil per-pound-or-part-thereof, that Roach demanded from Mayweather, was just insurance..... which is why Mayweather did not even bat-an-eyelid at that seemingly absurd stipulation..... he just agreed, and signed.

Mayweather was never going to miss 147, so Pacquiao was never going to get one red cent from the weight penalty. It was just insurance.

IF Mayweather wanted to duck Pacquiao, like a pile of ******s tried to make out back in 09..... then he would have walked away because of the absurd 10mil per-pound-or-part-thereof demand.

Beristain gave Mayweather an easy way out with that penalty.

Actually if you want to know the whole story.....

FACT: Mayweather did not miss weight.

He renegotiated the contract two weeks prior.

For weighing 146, Mayweather would have owed the commission 500k per pound..... by renegotiating the contract and offering Marquez 300k per pound, Mayweather saved himself 400k, Marquez made 600k, and the commission got nothing.

[aboutfkntime]

Oh Freddie was jumping up and down about weight in that fight , there were articles where Freddy was saying Oscar never made 150 against Forbes , he said that they just let him off but if he is not 147 or less with Manny there will be hell to pay , Roach knows how important weight plays I think he is the brains behind Manny and the CWS , I cant see Arum figuring it out , look at Roach now with Cotto its all about weight for this opponent weight for that opponent .

Cant blame Roach though he is playing the game to win .

Yep, I dont blame Roach either. Bruce Trampler and/or Brad Goodman could also play a part regarding the timing of certain opponents and some of the contractual stipulations, not sure. But I do think that Arum understands about weight/styles also, the cunning old cvnt.

[Larry the boss]

I'm not sure why the hate on ODLH, he never ducked anyone and his last fight was with Manny in his prime. I don't care what he did outside the ring (is not like beat up his wife or his girlfriends ) anyway, is not like what he says about Floyd isn't any truth behind it.

His last fight he got his ass kicked by a guy who had 1 damn fight at 135...a cherry pick gone wrong

[Reloaded]

Yep, I dont blame Roach either. Bruce Trampler and/or Brad Goodman could also play a part regarding the timing of certain opponents and some of the contractual stipulations, not sure. But I do think that Arum understands about weight/styles also, the cunning old cvnt.

Yeah I think they all understand it now , it was a brilliant move by Roach and team because the general public had no clue about weight , most still dont , they see a guy beat another and thats it , they never see behind the scenes and the match making advantages , it would be frighting to see just how many fights have been won on the scales , its a crucial element in the fight game yet the man in street dont give a **** ass , its of no consequence to them , just to throw an analogy a 1000lb racehorse will get beat because it carried 1 extra pound more than it should have , the thing is punters know this with horses .

[tangalog2200]

No, I dont. Mayweather is fkn rich.

The 2lbs was an issue, but not the 600k. That is why Mayweather chose to pay the 600k instead of trying to make the weight.

Roach > Beristain at negotiating.

The 10mil per-pound-or-part-thereof, that Roach demanded from Mayweather, was just insurance..... which is why Mayweather did not even bat-an-eyelid at that seemingly absurd stipulation..... he just agreed, and signed.

Mayweather was never going to miss 147, so Pacquiao was never going to get one red cent from the weight penalty. It was just insurance.

IF Mayweather wanted to duck Pacquiao, like a pile of ******s tried to make out back in 09..... then he would have walked away because of the absurd 10mil per-pound-or-part-thereof demand.

Beristain gave Mayweather an easy way out with that penalty.

Actually if you want to know the whole story.....

FACT: Mayweather did not miss weight.

He renegotiated the contract two weeks prior.

For weighing 146, Mayweather would have owed the commission 500k per pound..... by renegotiating the contract and offering Marquez 300k per pound, Mayweather saved himself 400k, Marquez made 600k, and the commission got nothing.

how blind can you get?

floyd paid the 600k to gain advantage over jmm who's coming up, say 2 divs up?

have you even wondered if floyd will go over 2lbs if the penalty is on the millions/lb?

[Reloaded]

how blind can you get?

floyd paid the 600k to gain advantage over jmm who's coming up, say 2 divs up?

have you even wondered if floyd will go over 2lbs if the penalty is on the millions/lb?

This where you dont understand weight , JMM weighed the same against Floyd as he did KOing Manny , and Floyd was lighter than Manny .

Floyd had been out of the ring for 18mths , his body probably retained a bit more than it normally would following the lay off , he didnt know his body was not going to lose it until its too late then he says fck this Im not sitting in the sauna to drop the 2 pounds so he paid the forfeit because its peanuts to him .

You try and make out its pre meditated to gain an advantage , weight is not an advantage to Floyd like it would be to a brawler or physical fighter , that fight was at range the entire fight I dont think they were broken once or a single clinch in the entire fight , Floyd boxed his ears off like he was an amateur , you never see or hear Bernstein or JMM ever asking for a Mayweather rematch , that result had nothing to do with weight it was pure long range boxing .

[Doctor_Tenma]

Not a lot of fighters win in their finale so......

[elfag]

but, don't you think the very little (by floyd's standard or wealth) 600k was a considerable factor heading into jmm fight?

it wasnt a big deal to him as can be seen by the fact that:

if he really cared, he would have made the weight. Hes usually 150 on fight night, he can make 144 dehydrated.

Second, he didnt try to reweigh in. People miss weight the first try all the time, they usually give them an hour or whatever to try to piss, sweat ect and come back. Considering hes not super dry at 146, he could have gotten atleast 1 pound, maybe 2 with in that time off.

It gave him a slight advantage in that he didnt have to dehydrate down those extra two pounds. I dont think he needs the advantage vs JMM nor that it would be that hard to loose which is why it was a ****head move on his part. JMM got his 600k though. Should have asked for more in the contract.

[aboutfkntime]

how blind can you get?

floyd paid the 600k to gain advantage over jmm who's coming up, say 2 divs up?

have you even wondered if floyd will go over 2lbs if the penalty is on the millions/lb?

I think you need to read the post you replied to again.

" floyd paid the 600k to gain advantage over jmm "

..... is exactly what I said.

It was lame as fcuk.

I think you missed the point..... the 3.5mil for Hoya, and the 10mil for Mayweather..... was insurance, because of the size of the penalty.

The 1mil commission penalty for Marquez, which Mayweather negotiated down to 600k..... was not a big enough penalty to ensure that Mayweather made the weight.

Thats all we are saying.

The reason why Oscar, an elite veteran, fcuked up the weight for Pacquiao..... is because of the 3.5mil INSURANCE penalty. 2.01 lbs would have cost him 10mil.

[aboutfkntime]

This where you dont understand weight , JMM weighed the same against Floyd as he did KOing Manny , and Floyd was lighter than Manny .

Floyd had been out of the ring for 18mths , his body probably retained a bit more than it normally would following the lay off , he didnt know his body was not going to lose it until its too late then he says fck this Im not sitting in the sauna to drop the 2 pounds so he paid the forfeit because its peanuts to him .

You try and make out its pre meditated to gain an advantage , weight is not an advantage to Floyd like it would be to a brawler or physical fighter , that fight was at range the entire fight I dont think they were broken once or a single clinch in the entire fight , Floyd boxed his ears off like he was an amateur , you never see or hear Bernstein or JMM ever asking for a Mayweather rematch , that result had nothing to do with weight it was pure long range boxing .

JMM is my boy, so I was really hard on Mayweather at the time.

I stated that it was a b1tch move by Mayweather, and that he never even tried to make the weight..... but I'm not so sure about that now.

If he had no intention to even try to make 144, Mayweather would have re-negotiated the contract much earlier than two weeks out from the fight.

I think that Mayweather did initially try to come in at 144, but he realised that he would need to sacrifice to make the weight, and decided to pay the 600k to ensure that he would be healthy on fightnight.

Its still lame, but then so are catchweights period.