Comments Thread For: Froch: Andre Ward is P4P 1, Golovkin Not in My Top Ten

[The plunger man]

Golovkin fought Geale who'd lost to Darren Barker.....lol I mean really that's literally one of his top 2 wins.

Darren Barker's leftovers.

Dirtbox froch bottled it.....offered a big fight at Wembley with golovkin but retired instead.....golovkn beats anyone at 160....and when deals with lemeuix....I won't be surprised to see frochs ego get the better of him and return to meet golovkin....then we can have wager on ....and see f your big mouth backs it

[hitking]

To me, the #1 spot is vacant. I think Ward and Rigondeaux have the best claims to the top spot. But somebody has to reavh out there and grab the title of P4P King.

As for GGG, I think I understand where Froch is coming from. When I think of the P4P list, I think elite fighters. And when I think about an elite fighter. I think about a fighter that's either beaten a fellow elite. Or, a fighter that has years of dominance against top competition. GGG has neither. So personally, I don't consider GGG an elite fighter. As for his place on the P4P list, the pickings are kinda slim. I haven't sat and made a list recently. But I'd imagine it'd be pretty tough to make a list of 10 without GGG on it. Regardless of whether I see him as an elite fighter or not.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Dirtbox froch bottled it.....offered a big fight at Wembley with golovkin but retired instead.....golovkn beats anyone at 160....and when deals with lemeuix....I won't be surprised to see frochs ego get the better of him and return to meet golovkin....then we can have wager on ....and see f your big mouth backs it

What do you mean "offered a big fight at Wembley"?

First of all, Golovkin wouldn't fill out Wembley because no one in the UK knows who he is and Froch would be the one offering it to Golovkin.

Froch didn't need Golovkin especially when it didn't bring nearly as much money as the Groves rematch did.

None of that changes the fact that Golovkin doesn't deserve his P4P ranking. You base your list on hypothetical wins, I base mine on real ones.

[LouIE G]

Wow 17 pages 4 Little G...

[kafkod]

What do you mean "offered a big fight at Wembley"?

First of all, Golovkin wouldn't fill out Wembley because no one in the UK knows who he is and Froch would be the one offering it to Golovkin.

Froch didn't need Golovkin especially when it didn't bring nearly as much money as the Groves rematch did.

None of that changes the fact that Golovkin doesn't deserve his P4P ranking. You base your list on hypothetical wins, I base mine on real ones.

Froch and GGG wouldn't sell out Wembley, but Golovkin is quite well known in the UK now.

[The plunger man]

What do you mean "offered a big fight at Wembley"?

First of all, Golovkin wouldn't fill out Wembley because no one in the UK knows who he is and Froch would be the one offering it to Golovkin.

Froch didn't need Golovkin especially when it didn't bring nearly as much money as the Groves rematch did.

None of that changes the fact that Golovkin doesn't deserve his P4P ranking. You base your list on hypothetical wins, I base mine on real ones.

So what real wins has canelo had that warrants him on the p4p top list.....on current form Andre ward is not on it....who has he beaten the last 2 and half years as well...golovkin is for me is in the top p4p 10 list...and the best the middleweight in the world.....and he will go onto prove it......froch was offered the fight and ran into retirement instead...now he don't rate golovkin on the top 10..... Talk is cheap

[turnedup]

How in the **** is GGG even considered top ten.. actually why are sports sites even putting this mfer in the top 3. They got him @ #2 and #3 respectively as though this guy has some god send skill despite his competition. People have him higher than Wladimir Klitschko, Kovalev, Rigondeaux, Pacquiao, Marquez, Cotto, etc... HOW? Fact is this.. IT'S ALL ****ING HYPE just like Roman Gonzalez is getting. One fat **** that's a boxing fan crown these guys as MUST SEE fighters and now everyone got them at the top of their lists.

Based on what criteria ?

Name one champion outside of Klitschko that's been as dominant of his division...Golovkin now that Floyd is retired. It's funny when someone cleans out their division practically single handed they normally command a bit more respect than folks here want to show. Call the division weak but none of the other top 20 fighters has even come close. Perhaps if Rigo was fighting more consistently, Pacquaio's best win in recent memory has been over Bradley...Marquez has not fought in two years, Miguel Cotto has beaten a barely licensed to fight maravilla and rodriguez in recent memory, Kovalev and Klitschko are the only current boxers dominating a division as close as golovkin has.

Or maybe he legitimately has an opinion. Not everybody is going to hang on to Golovkin's nuts like you do.

Funny...how about you hanging off my nuts right now Joe. Don't worry when Cotto gets sparked don't act otherwise!

Blah blah blah. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Golovkin turned down Ward. I couldn't care less about the guys that turned him down after that display of cowardice.

There's a reason why Golovkin is the biggest joke in boxing right now. It's his fear of competition. I've never seen someone go from revered to ridiculed as fast as Golovkin. What a joke he's become.

Funny your b*Tch ass mentions that when Ward has HBO sit him down to discuss the fight he did what? Oh ok. But now that Ward wants it on his terms this guy is supposed to pass up his mandatory shot at WBC unification glory. Fck Ward he sat on his @ss doing his business for nearly 2 years and now the world is supposed to jump for him. Oh and by the way Ward just fought at 172, when he makes 168 again holla at me. The funny thing is that if Golovkin had taken that fight at 168 right now and sparked Ward ya'll would say "He was out of the ring for 2 years" and that would be the entire narrative The same way morons like you crowed about the hate Floyd got is the same hate ya'll putting on this cat cause he's white and you know i'm right about that. There is a reason why every time golovkin beats someones ass such and such black fighter would whop him. How many mofo's around here were talking that curtis bullshhh he got sparked and now it's ward or lara. Lara who talks shhh everytime he's about to announce a fight and Ward who's managed to beat a whopping 2 total fringe contenders in the last 2 plus years.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Froch and GGG wouldn't sell out Wembley, but Golovkin is quite well known in the UK now.

He really isn't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So what real wins has canelo had that warrants him on the p4p top list.....on current form Andre ward is not on it....who has he beaten the last 2 and half years as well...golovkin is for me is in the top p4p 10 list...and the best the middleweight in the world.....and he will go onto prove it......froch was offered the fight and ran into retirement instead...now he don't rate golovkin on the top 10..... Talk is cheap

Froch is allowed to have his opinion just like everyone else. He's not saying Golovkin is a **** fighter, he's just saying he hasn't proved himself against quality opposition - which is true.

It's cute that GGG fantards think that Froch retired because of him. I guess it's something to hold onto when you don't have much else. Aww bless.

[wlliam]

I dont dispute that Ward can be P4P #1, his opposition of late isnt that of p4p king though. When considering p4p i look at skills AND opposition and ive always assumed thats the collective criteria. Ward established himself as the #1 SMW with his Super 6 wins and proved his superiority over that crop of fighters, who are no longer active or retired. Theres a brand new crop of SMWs who Ward has yet to face. His inactivity has dropped his rating. Froch, Kesslar, etc., are all great wins, dont get me wrong but that was 4 yrs ago, and although he hasnt lost, he has yet to reassert himself over the current top SMWs. Same goes for Rigo, dude has sublime skills but theres gotta be a point when opposition level is considered.

I like GGG but hes not top10 P4P...neither is Brook. One fighter im sure abput; Vlad is THE P4P #1 in the sport right now. Outside of him i gotta admit its difficult to pick the rest when almost nobody is fightn each othrr. Boxing is in a sad sad state. If it wasnt for the smaller wts we wouldnt see top vs top. WW is probably the most overrated div atm also.