Comments Thread For: Froch: Andre Ward is P4P 1, Golovkin Not in My Top Ten

[mick1303]

Deontay Wilder has dismantled all of his opposition and he's labeled a hypejob and a fraud, despite having actually beaten a current world champion (something Golovkin is yet to do). I'm not following your logic.

First - there are plenty of posters here who are not in agreement with you regarding Wilder. He has a sizable fanbase. Second - unlike Wilder, GGG fought the best middleweights available to him. His opponents were rated in top 10 at his weight, even though you like to ridicule them. Wilder's opponents except Stiverne are not top 10 heavyweights. Also it looks like he is trying to avoid his mandatory in Povetkin. And don't try to bring Ward and presumable "ducking" of him by GGG. Situations are not similar - Ward is not in his weightclass and wasn't willing and able to go there, he wasn't even willing to go halfway.

[Mate_Parlov]

That's boxing for you, you have to do something against the better fights/names before you get credit, beating boybands and c- level opponents would only get you a minimal credit in the end, whilst GGG is a great fighter on paper his resume doesn't match up to the rating just because he hasn't really had the fighters he needs to get up there in his weight class. That's when challenging yourself comes into it, once he is done with 160 he can always move up to 168 where he would have better challenges.

Hopkins had to go through the same thing until he moved up and started taking on fighters in a higher weight class and winning.

Well, I just hope that one day Ward will man up and fight GGG. If he is serious about fighting GGG he will negotiate fight. You do not negotiate fight by sending emails, and giving false interviews.
He is just an pretender...

[HeroBando]

Froch win > Golovkin's whole career
Abraham win > anything Golovkin did
Kessler win > Golovkin's whole career
Dawson win > anything Golovkin did


If wrote those with a straight face just stop following this sport please.

Disagree on Abe and Dawson. Abe sucks at Smw and was on a 2 fight exposure streak, hell Froch shut him out with the jab. Dawson was roadkill at 168.

Froch and Kessler are better than any Ggg win no doubt, but remember what Wards best scalp Froch said when Ggg offered to fight him in the UK: we'll swerve him if we can.

[doom_specialist]

First - there are plenty of posters here who are not in agreement with you regarding Wilder. He has a sizable fanbase. Second - unlike Wilder, GGG fought the best middleweights available to him. His opponents were rated in top 10 at his weight, even though you like to ridicule them. Wilder's opponents except Stiverne are not top 10 heavyweights. Also it looks like he is trying to avoid his mandatory in Povetkin. And don't try to bring Ward and presumable "ducking" of him by GGG. Situations are not similar - Ward is not in his weightclass and wasn't willing and able to go there, he wasn't even willing to go halfway.

1. I didn't say anything about Ward lol. Calm down. But for the record, if Ward did move down to face GGG and suffered a loss, I would expect it to be met with the same lack of credit that Ward received when he "forced" Dawson to come to his division (even though it was entirely Dawson's choice to make the move down).

2. Stiverne was a world champion, and Wilder took his title in very impressive fashion. For all of his top 10 wins, Golovkin is yet to face a champion actually holding a belt. The general consensus though is that Wilder needs to prove himself, even though he's proven that he can beat world champions, while GGG is some force of nature that is among the best fighters in the world, fighting in a division devoid of any real talent sans Miguel Cotto.

GGG is a fantastic boxer and probably best middleweight in the world ("Probably" because I never count Cotto out; Sue me ), but when speaking P4P you have to prove you're one of the best, not just look like you might be.

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Hilarious thread.

Froch tells the truth btw, i dislike Andre Ward but you can't argue with what he's achieved in the sport. Golovkin hasn't fought anyone.

[mick1303]

1. I didn't say anything about Ward lol. Calm down. But for the record, if Ward did move down to face GGG and suffered a loss, I would expect it to be met with the same lack of credit that Ward received when he "forced" Dawson to come to his division (even though it was entirely Dawson's choice to make the move down).

2. Stiverne was a world champion, and Wilder took his title in very impressive fashion. For all of his top 10 wins, Golovkin is yet to face a champion actually holding a belt. The general consensus though is that Wilder needs to prove himself, even though he's proven that he can beat world champions, while GGG is some force of nature that is among the best fighters in the world, fighting in a division devoid of any real talent sans Miguel Cotto.

GGG is a fantastic boxer and probably best middleweight in the world ("Probably" because I never count Cotto out; Sue me ), but when speaking P4P you have to prove you're one of the best, not just look like you might be.

Agree. And I said "let's wait". But I think that all these derogatory remarks about GGG from the fans of other fighters is a defensive mechanism. They are not blind, they know what they see in GGG. And this makes them uncomfortable, when they project what might happen with their favorite fighters. Otherwise I don't see the reason for this hostility. This is mostly about Cotto fans.

[The plunger man]

1. I didn't say anything about Ward lol. Calm down. But for the record, if Ward did move down to face GGG and suffered a loss, I would expect it to be met with the same lack of credit that Ward received when he "forced" Dawson to come to his division (even though it was entirely Dawson's choice to make the move down).

2. Stiverne was a world champion, and Wilder took his title in very impressive fashion. For all of his top 10 wins, Golovkin is yet to face a champion actually holding a belt. The general consensus though is that Wilder needs to prove himself, even though he's proven that he can beat world champions, while GGG is some force of nature that is among the best fighters in the world, fighting in a division devoid of any real talent sans Miguel Cotto.

GGG is a fantastic boxer and probably best middleweight in the world ("Probably" because I never count Cotto out; Sue me ), but when speaking P4P you have to prove you're one of the best, not just look like you might be.

You still waffling on about wilder ...he's garbage...he will Hve to fight povetkin soon so the shows over !!!

[doom_specialist]

Agree. And I said "let's wait". But I think that all these derogatory remarks about GGG from the fans of other fighters is a defensive mechanism. They are not blind, they know what they see in GGG. And this makes them uncomfortable, when they project what might happen with their favorite fighters. Otherwise I don't see the reason for this hostility. This is mostly about Cotto fans.

I think it's primarily because Golovkin simply hasn't proven himself to be deserving of his ranking. He has the skills, but no resume to back it up, and a lot of fighters have had that that proved to be duds. He's a joy to watch in the ring, but he's not a P4P talent. At least not my list. You gotta prove it. We're both in agreement about that part at least

[Ham Porter]

Just wanted to address your request of a champion who has been as dominant as Wlad since Floyd is gone now... Andre Ward. He was out of the ring nearly 2 years, and there's absolutely no question as to who the best Super Middleweight in the world is. When you've cleaned your division out to the point that there's no one to challenge your reign after 20 months, and the only threat you have is the very best guy at the weight division above you, I'd say that's a sign of dominance.

You don't clear a division out by beating a handful of contenders & then avoiding a fight with the consensus next best guy in the division. Ward's beaten out ranked contender in that division in four years & hasn't fought there for two.

[doom_specialist]

You don't clear a division out by beating a handful of contenders & then avoiding a fight with the consensus next best guy in the division. Ward's beaten out ranked contender in that division in four years & hasn't fought there for two.

Handful of contenders lol. Everyone except Bute (because Froch destroyed him first) is a handful of contenders now :/