Comments Thread For: Miguel Cotto Vows "Total Victory" in Canelo Defense

[Agent Mulder]

Canelo's never felt power like cotto's power.

Do you even like fighters who aren't puerto rican??? Or are you actually just the idiot flag-waver all of NSB thinks you are?

[BucaRican]

The more I've been thinking about it, the more I think you could be right. If I were putting a percentage on it, I'd say there's a 35% chance that Cotto beats Canelo rather easily. But it's going to be very interesting to see what happens if/when Canelo lands a clean shot. Cotto hasn't been hit hard in a long, long time.

It's going to be equally interesting to see how well Canelo handles Cotto's power. Cotto will land on him, and with greater precision and purpose than the one-dimensional, wild-swinging Kirkland.

How good is Canelo's chin? Has it really been tested?

No One gives Cotto credit for his movment yes he gets hit but only when he thinks he can over power a guy. IE Pacman he thought he could just bulldoze manny and he was wrong, the wrong game plan all the way. In the Margarchito fight he knew he could not over power Margarito so he moved used his Jab and boxed great. In both fights until he got hit with bricks. I see this similar to those fights he is not ****** fighter he knows Canelo is younger and stronger. But he also knows Canelo was younger and stronger than Mayweather. All Mayweather had to do was not stay in the pocket and turn flatfooted Canelo.

Early in this fight Cotto will rely alot on the jab and lateral movement something Lara and Mayweather exposed out of Canelo, the difference is while Cotto turns ginger there will be a left hook landing and gassing Canelo.

Very good fight can't wait to watch it live in VEGAS legoooooo!!

[bigjavi973]

Do you even like fighters who aren't puerto rican??? Or are you actually just the idiot flag-waver all of NSB thinks you are?

Yes I do like other fighters & I don't give two flying f^cks what anyone thinks of me here.

[Don Pichardo]

are you kidding me? cotto is the biggest primadonna ***** after every loss. He ran out the ring after floyd and refused to do a post fight interview, crying that he got robbed.

Yes he left without interviewing. I don't recall the part of him crying about a robbery. He, like me were more pissed about the scores which were blatant misrepresentations of the fight that actually took place. Cotto not long after the fight acknowledged that he did not win the fight.

[Mr.Fantastic]

He had stylistic problems against Margarito in the second fight, but was still up 8 rounds to 1 when it was stopped. It's a "convenient assumption" that the second fight would have played out like the first fight had Smoger allowed it to continue, but the truth is that Margarito was not getting to Cotto in the second fight like he was in the first fight...nor was he causing the same kind of damage.

I actually rewatched the first fight today . . . and it actually did feel like I was watching a violent crime. It's very disturbing. You're right: there's no conclusive proof one way or the other, but I think there's a good reason that so few people who are in the fight game have actually come to Margarito's defense.

It's disturbing cause Cotto got on his fucking knees to someone you guys were calling a bum for months before the fight. Cotto doesn't fight like a plastered guy. He'd have vision problems and all that shit.

After seeing the 2nd fight, I have no doubt in my mind that Margs did not cheat vs Cotto in the 1st fight.

[Don Pichardo]

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Hmmm, I get what you're saying.

You are completely rt that Margarito's style was, is and will always be very problematic for Cotto.

Now, I'm convinced he cheated not only Cotto but fighters b4 Cotto too.

1. With the exception of PWill, Margo was steamrolling opponents. Dude had Cotto's face all cut up, beat him to the pulp, ripped Lujan's ear off, punched opponents elbows, head, shoulders and didn't affect him at all, then got caught and all of a sudden his power is gone. His outing after getting caught were 3 loses and only 1 win against a journeyman in MX, that he looked like ****.

2. If you never used plaster b4 Shane, how would he had know what kind of effect would have on his knuckles + if he was willing to use it against Mosley what make you think he wasn't willing to use it w/ other fighters? This is not ppl thinking that he was using plaster, he got caught red handed.

3. All the different versions that he and his team had after wraps were confiscated. 1st he said that he didn't have any knowledge of plaster, but then said his mind wasn't in the fight w/ Mosley due to the wraps incident, if he didn't know, why would he worry about it in the fight? But I was convinced when Cotto confronted him for their 2nd fight, his actions and all the mocking made it obvious, 1 of my boys favorite fighter was Margarito, even he was like....damn dude did it!!!

I always followed blue collar fighters like Glenn Johnson, Siri, Herrera, Emanuel Augustus, B-Hops...that made it the hard way...nothing is given to them...I thought that of Margarito at 1 point, but dude was a Cheater, no doubt about it!!!

Greent. Excellent post and jives with my recollection

[Mr.Fantastic]

No One gives Cotto credit for his movment yes he gets hit but only when he thinks he can over power a guy. IE Pacman he thought he could just bulldoze manny and he was wrong, the wrong game plan all the way. In the Margarchito fight he knew he could not over power Margarito so he moved used his Jab and boxed great. In both fights until he got hit with bricks. I see this similar to those fights he is not ****** fighter he knows Canelo is younger and stronger. But he also knows Canelo was younger and stronger than Mayweather. All Mayweather had to do was not stay in the pocket and turn flatfooted Canelo.

Early in this fight Cotto will rely alot on the jab and lateral movement something Lara and Mayweather exposed out of Canelo, the difference is while Cotto turns ginger there will be a left hook landing and gassing Canelo.

Very good fight can't wait to watch it live in VEGAS legoooooo!!

Cotto was not boxing great. If he was, he wouldn't of been getting hit constantly to the body like a dumb ass. The body work is what did Cotto. Ricardo fucking Torres and Corely were able to hurt Cotto but somehow Margarito who's much bigger than those two boxers, can't? I've never seen a group of people crying for a loss than Cotto fans. Quit trying to make Cotto out to be some fucking super man. He's a human just like us.

[aboutfkntime]

It's disturbing cause Cotto got on his fucking knees to someone you guys were calling a bum for months before the fight. Cotto doesn't fight like a plastered guy. He'd have vision problems and all that shit.

After seeing the 2nd fight, I have no doubt in my mind that Margs did not cheat vs Cotto in the 1st fight.

I came to the exact opposite conclusion. The only real difference between the two fights is that Cotto did not appear to take the same level of punishment that broke him down in the first fight.

[bigjer88]

It's disturbing cause Cotto got on his fucking knees to someone you guys were calling a bum for months before the fight. Cotto doesn't fight like a plastered guy. He'd have vision problems and all that shit.

After seeing the 2nd fight, I have no doubt in my mind that Margs did not cheat vs Cotto in the 1st fight.

Your assumptions about the basis of my opinion are incorrect. I was only casually acquainted with Margarito prior to the second Cintron fight. After seeing that fight, I realized that Cotto was going to be in for a war. In no way was I calling Margarito a bum. I thought he was formidable and tough as nails.

After watching Cotto-Margarito I, I thought Margarito was invincible. Sure, there were big differences, but that fight reminded me in some ways of Foreman-Frazier I. The little guy could hit the big guy, but the big guy was ultimately going to have his way, and it was going to be ugly.

Even after Margarito got caught (with Mosely), I was still not ready to say that he cheated against Cotto. It took a while for me to reach that conclusion, and there were a lot of factors that influenced my decision. Here are ONLY THE NON-OBVIOUS factors that led me to reach this conclusion (there are also many obvious factors that I won't repeat here):

1. His response to getting caught -- that he didn't know what was in the handwraps against Mosely -- was so implausible that it was difficult to believe anything coming from his mouth regarding his past achievements.

2. The way he responded to accusations regarding the first Cotto fight was more consistent with guilt than with innocence. An innocent man may have actually tried to convince others of his innocence, but Margarito's response was one of defiance and scorn.

3. To repeat I've already posted too many times on this thread, I am not aware of any fighters, trainers (other than Capetillo), writers, or anyone in the fight game actually coming to his defense with respect to the Cotto fight. People who have spent their lives in and around the sport of boxing believe that he cheated against Cotto.

I am not motivated by nationality or ethnicity or anything of that sort. I also understand why people -- even the elite of the elite -- would cheat. Yet, based on the above (and many other factors), I do believe that Margarito cheated Cotto out of his prime, which is just about the worst thing that one athlete can do to another.

The fact that Cotto came back from that incident and, more than 7 years later and after several personal and professional setbacks, is now at the highest level of the sport is a testament to his greatness not only as a boxer, but as a man who is in control of his career.

He deserves respect. He's suffered for what he's earned.

[bigjer88]

Cotto was not boxing great. If he was, he wouldn't of been getting hit constantly to the body like a dumb ass. The body work is what did Cotto. Ricardo fucking Torres and Corely were able to hurt Cotto but somehow Margarito who's much bigger than those two boxers, can't? I've never seen a group of people crying for a loss than Cotto fans. Quit trying to make Cotto out to be some fucking super man. He's a human just like us.

Torres and Corley hurt Cotto at 140, right? Each of them did it with well-placed (and, in Torres' case, monster) shots. The damage Margarito inflicted in the first Cotto fight was cumuliative -- very different from the kind of damage Torres and Corley inflicted.