Comments Thread For: Miguel Cotto Vows "Total Victory" in Canelo Defense

[aboutfkntime]

Whoever wins this fight will be considered the cash cow. So Cotto and Canelo understand the magnitude of this fight. Whether you like it or not that's the truth. The GGG fight will then become an even bigger pay day for the winner and that's two massive checks for the victor of this fight. They will both give it their all.

Actually, good point.

A Canelo win would be amazing for him. With Mayweather retiring and Pacquiao not far behind him, boxing would likely benefit from a Canelo win.

Still riding with Cotto but.

[IAM]

No proof of bricks in the Margo vs Cotto fight

But Cotto will win! Canelo doesn't have stamina or the heart that margarito did.

You have to be ****** to think that pice of **** Margarito tried cheating against sugar Shane and did not cheat against Cotto who was a ****in terminator at the time.

[aboutfkntime]

I probably say this too often. . . true: no direct evidence of bricks in Margarito's gloves against Cotto -- just circumstantial evidence (which counts). At the same time, no fighters or trainers (i.e., people who are in the game and know better than biased fans) have come to Margarito's defense regarding the first Cotto fight. Sure -- that doesn't count as proof, I get that, but it certainly tilts the scale.

I agree !

When considering any subject, after examining the facts, etc..... it never hurts to apply some common-sense. Often forgotten, always helpful.

I dont know how Margarito can look Cotto in the eye.

[elfag]

No proof of bricks in the Margo vs Cotto fight

But Cotto will win! Canelo doesn't have stamina or the heart that margarito did.

Thats the thing, its a convenient assumption. Cotto sees that margo got caught vs mosley and now all of a sudden for sure he must have used them against him.... but his own team approved the wraps used against him. He also had the very same stylistic problems vs margo in the rematch where they surely looked at his wraps very closely. In the rematch cotto had the advantage of targeting that busted eye bone and still had his struggles.

margs is guilty as **** for what he did vs mosley but cotto likes to just assume it happened to him when theyres no indications. Even clottey has said he didnt feel anything special with margo's power and didnt believe he used any wraps in that fight.

[elfag]

When has Cotto ever made excuses? Even after the first Margarito fight, Cotto took the loss like a man. It wasn't until Magarito was exposed as a criminal that Cotto began to raise questions about the first fight.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember him making excuses after any of his other losses.

are you kidding me? cotto is the biggest primadonna ***** after every loss. He ran out the ring after floyd and refused to do a post fight interview, crying that he got robbed.

[IAM]

Thats the thing, its a convenient assumption. Cotto sees that margo got caught vs mosley and now all of a sudden for sure he must have used them against him.... but his own team approved the wraps used against him. He also had the very same stylistic problems vs margo in the rematch where they surely looked at his wraps very closely. In the rematch cotto had the advantage of targeting that busted eye bone and still had his struggles.

margs is guilty as **** for what he did vs mosley but cotto likes to just assume it happened to him when theyres no indications. Even clottey has said he didnt feel anything special with margo's power and didnt believe he used any wraps in that fight.

You do know clottey broke both hands in that marg fight.. Humm with that high guard I wonder why?

[bigjer88]

are you kidding me? cotto is the biggest primadonna ***** after every loss. He ran out the ring after floyd and refused to do a post fight interview, crying that he got robbed.

I'm focused on the "making excuses" part of the post. Not giving an interview after a loss is not the same thing as making an excuse. Being a "primadonna" is not the same thing as making an excuse for a loss.

The closest I ever saw to him "making an excuse" is when Jim Gray tracked him down after the Trout fight. When Jim Gray asked him what he thought of the result, Cotto responded "ask the fans" -- or something to that effect. But again...that's not the same thing as making an excuse for a loss or a bad performance.

[bigjer88]

Thats the thing, its a convenient assumption. Cotto sees that margo got caught vs mosley and now all of a sudden for sure he must have used them against him.... but his own team approved the wraps used against him. He also had the very same stylistic problems vs margo in the rematch where they surely looked at his wraps very closely. In the rematch cotto had the advantage of targeting that busted eye bone and still had his struggles.

margs is guilty as **** for what he did vs mosley but cotto likes to just assume it happened to him when theyres no indications. Even clottey has said he didnt feel anything special with margo's power and didnt believe he used any wraps in that fight.

He had stylistic problems against Margarito in the second fight, but was still up 8 rounds to 1 when it was stopped. It's a "convenient assumption" that the second fight would have played out like the first fight had Smoger allowed it to continue, but the truth is that Margarito was not getting to Cotto in the second fight like he was in the first fight...nor was he causing the same kind of damage.

I actually rewatched the first fight today . . . and it actually did feel like I was watching a violent crime. It's very disturbing. You're right: there's no conclusive proof one way or the other, but I think there's a good reason that so few people who are in the fight game have actually come to Margarito's defense.

[The Collector]

Thats the thing, its a convenient assumption. Cotto sees that margo got caught vs mosley and now all of a sudden for sure he must have used them against him.... but his own team approved the wraps used against him. He also had the very same stylistic problems vs margo in the rematch where they surely looked at his wraps very closely. In the rematch cotto had the advantage of targeting that busted eye bone and still had his struggles.

margs is guilty as **** for what he did vs mosley but cotto likes to just assume it happened to him when theyres no indications. Even clottey has said he didnt feel anything special with margo's power and didnt believe he used any wraps in that fight.

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Hmmm, I get what you're saying.

You are completely rt that Margarito's style was, is and will always be very problematic for Cotto.

Now, I'm convinced he cheated not only Cotto but fighters b4 Cotto too.

1. With the exception of PWill, Margo was steamrolling opponents. Dude had Cotto's face all cut up, beat him to the pulp, ripped Lujan's ear off, punched opponents elbows, head, shoulders and didn't affect him at all, then got caught and all of a sudden his power is gone. His outing after getting caught were 3 loses and only 1 win against a journeyman in MX, that he looked like ****.

2. If you never used plaster b4 Shane, how would he had know what kind of effect would have on his knuckles + if he was willing to use it against Mosley what make you think he wasn't willing to use it w/ other fighters? This is not ppl thinking that he was using plaster, he got caught red handed.

3. All the different versions that he and his team had after wraps were confiscated. 1st he said that he didn't have any knowledge of plaster, but then said his mind wasn't in the fight w/ Mosley due to the wraps incident, if he didn't know, why would he worry about it in the fight? But I was convinced when Cotto confronted him for their 2nd fight, his actions and all the mocking made it obvious, 1 of my boys favorite fighter was Margarito, even he was like....damn dude did it!!!

I always followed blue collar fighters like Glenn Johnson, Siri, Herrera, Emanuel Augustus, B-Hops...that made it the hard way...nothing is given to them...I thought that of Margarito at 1 point, but dude was a Cheater, no doubt about it!!!

[aboutfkntime]

He had stylistic problems against Margarito in the second fight, but was still up 8 rounds to 1 when it was stopped. It's a "convenient assumption" that the second fight would have played out like the first fight had Smoger allowed it to continue, but the truth is that Margarito was not getting to Cotto in the second fight like he was in the first fight...nor was he causing the same kind of damage.

I actually rewatched the first fight today . . . and it actually did feel like I was watching a violent crime. It's very disturbing. You're right: there's no conclusive proof one way or the other, but I think there's a good reason that so few people who are in the fight game have actually come to Margarito's defense.

I agree man, good post !

I saw nothing to indicate that fight was playing out like the first.

Margarito wasn't getting to Cotto like he did the first time around.

Cotto wasn't fading, and Margarito wasn't coming on the same.

The fight could have ended the same way, but did not look very likely based on what was playing out.

Also, very few people mention this..... but when Freddie Roach was preparing Manny for Margarito he reviewed a lot of Tonys earlier fights..... Freddie said he can tell which fights Margarito used his wraps because the punches landed differently.