Comments Thread For: Roach: Canelo Does Nothing Better Than Cotto - Nothing!

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Cotto has failed at the very top of world level. He's even been 50/50 at the mid/bottom level of what I would consider "world class," with a loss to Trout, and what I, along with most, saw as a loss against Clottey! I thought he beat Mosley, but by the closest of margins (I believe a compelling argument can be made he lost).

At 154 and above, Cotto is also at a significant size disadvantage (very visible against Trout).

Cotto is a bit stiffer IMO, and Canelo looks more fluid in catching punches with gloves, shoulders, upper body movement, etc.

I don't see anything Canelo does that attempts to emulate Marquez. Canelo has much better defense than Marquez, but isn't as refined with punching technique, nor as precise of a counter-puncher.

Cotto just doesn't do anything better than Canelo (I'll flip the script on what Roach said), and add that to the fact Canelo is the naturally bigger, stronger, younger, and fresher.

The reason why you rate Cotto so low is obvious, you don't like him. You see "most" people agreed with the judges in both the Mosley and Clottey fights. You my friend are in the minority on that one, boxingscene does not represent the majority. You say Cotto has not defeated elite fighters, well neither has Canelo, because unless something changed MOST boxing pundits and fans don't consider Lara,Angulo, or Kirkland elite. Cotto has been in the ring with better competition and ultimately looked and still looks far better.

You say Cotto is stiff? ******ity really, he movees fluidly around the ring and his foot work is at a level that Canelo will never reach. Canelo is like a zombie in the ring, left foot, right foot, stop combo, hopefully he stands right in front of me to get hit, that's about as much ring IQ/ring generalship you'll get from Canelo. Cotto has knocked out bigger opponents, where Canelo hasn't knocked out anyone over the welterweight limit, (Angulo, Kirkland were shells)look at his resume, most of his knockouts are against career welterweights and JR welterweights, and you expect me to believe that he hits harder then Cotto?

And for your info I am a big fan of Canelo, had him loosing to Trout and winning against Lara. But really your post reeks of bias, when damn near everyone agrees Canelo's advantages are strength, size and youth, the rest goes to Cotto, including trainer and team.

[PeasantCrusha]

That is purely a function of opposition rather than ability to take a punch.

Exactly.


Jose "Blueprint" Cotto.


#CaguasChinCheckers

[Build That Wall]

Freddie is on that Roger Mayweather ****

[Basco]

The reason why you rate Cotto so low is obvious, you don't like him. You see "most" people agreed with the judges in both the Mosley and Clottey fights. You my friend are in the minority on that one, boxingscene does not represent the majority. You say Cotto has not defeated elite fighters, well neither has Canelo, because unless something changed MOST boxing pundits and fans don't consider Lara,Angulo, or Kirkland elite. Cotto has been in the ring with better competition and ultimately looked and still looks far better.

You say Cotto is stiff? ******ity really, he movees fluidly around the ring and his foot work is at a level that Canelo will never reach. Canelo is like a zombie in the ring, left foot, right foot, stop combo, hopefully he stands right in front of me to get hit, that's about as much ring IQ/ring generalship you'll get from Canelo. Cotto has knocked out bigger opponents, where Canelo hasn't knocked out anyone over the welterweight limit, (Angulo, Kirkland were shells)look at his resume, most of his knockouts are against career welterweights and JR welterweights, and you expect me to believe that he hits harder then Cotto?

And for your info I am a big fan of Canelo, had him loosing to Trout and winning against Lara. But really your post reeks of bias, when damn near everyone agrees Canelo's advantages are strength, size and youth, the rest goes to Cotto, including trainer and team.

I respect your observations! Finally somebody with some sense!

[Dinamita 03]

Both guys are pretty comparable to be honest. There's very little separating the two in each category which is what makes this fight so intriguing. Most dub Cotto the better boxer and Canelo the superior fighter when in reality neither has truly shown that against elite competition. If either guy can win convincingly it'll be the best win of their career.

It'll really come down to who can make the most of the others weaknesses. Cotto will have the clear advantage in movement and can truly frustrate Canelo with the jab while taking advantage of his low activity.

Canelo's uppercuts are going to decide this fight IMO particularly when Cotto utilizes the high guard defense. It should be one of the key elements as Cotto has always shown vulnerability to that punch as well as been visibly hurt by it. Durability is also on Canelo's side as we've all seen how easy Cotto's face marks up.

[Basco]

Both guys are pretty comparable to be honest. There's very little separating the two in each category which is what makes this fight so intriguing. Most dub Cotto the better boxer and Canelo the superior fighter when in reality neither has truly shown that against elite competition. If either guy can win convincingly it'll be the best win of their career.

It'll really come down to who can make the most of the others weaknesses. Cotto will have the clear advantage in movement and can truly frustrate Canelo with the jab while taking advantage of his low activity.

Canelo's uppercuts are going to decide this fight IMO particularly when Cotto utilizes the high guard defense. It should be one of the key elements as Cotto has always shown vulnerability to that punch as well as been visibly hurt by it. Durability is also on Canelo's side as we've all seen how easy Cotto's face marks up.

I was thinking the same thing. If Cotto manages to avoid fighting inside, he will do very good. Otherwise, that uppercut could do some damage.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Both guys are pretty comparable to be honest. There's very little separating the two in each category which is what makes this fight so intriguing. Most dub Cotto the better boxer and Canelo the superior fighter when in reality neither has truly shown that against elite competition. If either guy can win convincingly it'll be the best win of their career.

It'll really come down to who can make the most of the others weaknesses. Cotto will have the clear advantage in movement and can truly frustrate Canelo with the jab while taking advantage of his low activity.

Canelo's uppercuts are going to decide this fight IMO particularly when Cotto utilizes the high guard defense. It should be one of the key elements as Cotto has always shown vulnerability to that punch as well as been visibly hurt by it. Durability is also on Canelo's side as we've all seen how easy Cotto's face marks up.

If Cotto is lined up for the uppercut it's a bad night for him. But if you look at cotto's old fights, he came straight in to his opponents and backed straight out, since getting with Roach Cotto has positioned himself outside the lead foot of his opponent which gives him an attack and escape advantage. That position also nullifies the uppercut, because the opponent would have to almost turn a full 180 to land a significant power uppercut, such an attempt would open your gate completely. If Cotto continues his recent trend of superior punching position, and Canelo doesn't or struggles to adjust, then it will be a bad night for Canelo.

[puga]

I agree...but canelo has natural advantages over cotto......which makes it an intriguing fight but p4p cotto is night and day a better fifhter than canelo will ever will be....it is what it is

[Joe Beamish]

The two fighters look very closely matched. In such cases, I tend to lean toward the significantly younger, fresher fighter...especially in a real fight where both guys are throwing punches with malicious intent.

So I give the edge to Canelo. He likes fighting, he's young, he wins.

[Dinamita 03]

If Cotto is lined up for the uppercut it's a bad night for him. But if you look at cotto's old fights, he came straight in to his opponents and backed straight out, since getting with Roach Cotto has positioned himself outside the lead foot of his opponent which gives him an attack and escape advantage. That position also nullifies the uppercut, because the opponent would have to almost turn a full 180 to land a significant power uppercut, such an attempt would open your gate completely. If Cotto continues his recent trend of superior punching position, and Canelo doesn't or struggles to adjust, then it will be a bad night for Canelo.

Different level of opposition, the things he's been able to do against his past opponents aren't all going to work. It's just speculation though at this point.