Reasons why Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez is #1 P4P.

[Left Hook Tua]

Strength of competition plays a major factor IMO otherwise you would see many prospects on the list and will see a lot of turnover in P4P

Not arguing against him being #1 he is #3 on my list but personally I could never put a fighter without a career defining win as #1 P4P that spot is earned not given by default

major factor but not only factor.

recent showings are also more important.

a fight 4-5 yrs ago have no relevance to current skill level.

example pac now is nothing compared to pac in 2010 who blew out marg.

[Larry the boss]

Boom.............

[TheStranger]

Because the forum was underwhelmed by this list but the conversation can resume again if he can add Fury to it and impressively. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=688198

[Joey_Torreo]

P4P is not just about resume.

If that's the case Pacquiao or Hopkins will still be #1.

P4P is a mix of resume, skills, hypothetical evaluation and most importantly how good you look lately.

Roman his last fight looked good.

Hypothetical evaluation? Must be what the ring has been using lately on their rankings

[Divine Hammer]

Can you argue that Klitschko has accomplished more and has a better resume?

yes absolutely u can. just at look at all the guys wlad has beaten and how completely dominant he has been for YEARS now. gonzalez has barely beaten anyone good compared to wlad. his best win is estrada who drained himself down to 108. what else does he have??? and then there is his yaegashi win, but yaegashi isn't good either. niida's heart wasn't ever really in boxing (retired multiple times).

complete disrespect that someone like wlad doesn't at least get the #1 rank he has deserved for SO LONG NOW.

[-Hyperion-]

he's also competed in the three most diluted weightclasses...they're as weak as the heavyweight division....

Gonzalez doesn't have the best resume, doesn't pass the eye test compared to others who are comparable in terms of opposition and hype. He has accomplishments, but most of it is at straweight which is literally a desert in terms of world class talent.....the ones who rise do so beating 250 full time fishermen...

He has one win that anybody can rate, Estrada in his first step up to competition(in a close fight and Estrada was drained). Estrada has now emerged as a good fighter in his division, all I ask for either of them to be ranked in the top p4p is a fight with each other, because that would be the first p4p type win for roman, and the second for Estrada.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

He doesnt have a single elite win.

[Hype job]

He doesnt have a single elite win.

Floyd doesn't have a single prime elite win.

[crold1]

he's also competed in the three most diluted weightclasses...they're as weak as the heavyweight division....

Gonzalez doesn't have the best resume, doesn't pass the eye test compared to others who are comparable in terms of opposition and hype. He has accomplishments, but most of it is at straweight which is literally a desert in terms of world class talent.....the ones who rise do so beating 250 full time fishermen...

He has one win that anybody can rate, Estrada in his first step up to competition(in a close fight and Estrada was drained). Estrada has now emerged as a good fighter in his division, all I ask for either of them to be ranked in the top p4p is a fight with each other, because that would be the first p4p type win for roman, and the second for Estrada.

I don't think Flyweight is weak right now.

I agree with your idea to an extent on probabilities by cluster of population. However, that doesn't mean that you can't have high peaks in lower classes and valleys in higher ones. We saw one at 108 in the 90s. That was an exemplary era for any weight class. Middleweight hasn't had a genuinely great era since the boom period from 89-95 IMO. By population, it should have. Welterweight to its credit never seems to have down time. Flyweight in the 70s was as good as any division has ever been in terms of depth, talent, and skill variety. I think, just my take, we're seeing that at Fly since about 2011. It's a convergence of experienced vets, varied style, strong amateur pedigrees, genuine depth, and some outstanding prime talent. It would be stronger if Moruti Mthalane was more active with the better guys.

And he has more than one win that can 'rate.' Niida is a strong win and was a longtime standout at 105. Takayama has consistently stayed in the mix for almost a decade. Yaegashi was hot coming in. Sosa was faded but had never been manhandled like that once he got to higher levels (the Mayol fight had rightful controversy).

But I agree with you that a rematch with Estrada would go a long way to validating the placement both men are getting in a more universal form. If Roman can finish the clean out, and Viloria is not a gimme', of THIS era at Flyweight, a lot of the debate would shift. Among the newer, prime guys we're ultimately talking about guys with 4-5 quality wins apiece in GGG, Kovalev, Ward, and Rigo with Pac and Wlad as the possibly fading but still world class vets in the mix.

At least it's something new to argue about. And if it gets stuff like Roman-Viloria on PPV unders and HBO instead of Wealth TV, all the better.

[-Hyperion-]

I don't think Flyweight is weak right now.

I agree with your idea to an extent on probabilities by cluster of population. However, that doesn't mean that you can't have high peaks in lower classes and valleys in higher ones. We saw one at 108 in the 90s. That was an exemplary era for any weight class. Middleweight hasn't had a genuinely great era since the boom period from 89-95 IMO. By population, it should have. Welterweight to its credit never seems to have down time. Flyweight in the 70s was as good as any division has ever been in terms of depth, talent, and skill variety. I think, just my take, we're seeing that at Fly since about 2011. It's a convergence of experienced vets, varied style, strong amateur pedigrees, genuine depth, and some outstanding prime talent. It would be stronger if Moruti Mthalane was more active with the better guys.

And he has more than one win that can 'rate.' Niida is a strong win and was a longtime standout at 105. Takayama has consistently stayed in the mix for almost a decade. Yaegashi was hot coming in. Sosa was faded but had never been manhandled like that once he got to higher levels (the Mayol fight had rightful controversy).

But I agree with you that a rematch with Estrada would go a long way to validating the placement both men are getting in a more universal form. If Roman can finish the clean out, and Viloria is not a gimme', of THIS era at Flyweight, a lot of the debate would shift. Among the newer, prime guys we're ultimately talking about guys with 4-5 quality wins apiece in GGG, Kovalev, Ward, and Rigo with Pac and Wlad as the possibly fading but still world class vets in the mix.

At least it's something new to argue about. And if it gets stuff like Roman-Viloria on PPV unders and HBO instead of Wealth TV, all the better.

I agree with most of your post, but see, having seen Niida, Takayama, Yaegashi, I know they're accomplished precisely because those weightclasses are weak as hell, these are well conditioned men who have good technique compared to the rest and that's enough to become champs in the diluted wightclasses. No world class talent, power, speed, size, chin, skills, craft.........just solid professionals. They're rated in terms of accomplishments, and that's the credit Roman gets from me, but let's not forget a guy like Joyi for example, who has about the same level of resume at straw than Gonzalez before he started becoming a KO highlight reel victim...I'm just not impressed at all.

Sosa has struggled badly over the last few years with guys who posses power and speed, even club level guys...it's a nice putting an old guy out of his misery win and all, but again, not really something that builds a legacy.

Estrada was a career flyweight(has fought as high as bantam) moving down for his first big step up, it's a nice win, but the rematch will really determine who's deserving of top p4p consideration.

Like I said before Roman has separated himself from the pack, but it;s not enough to say he is the best p4p, not by a long shot.