Why did Manny oppose to WADA back in 2010 vs Floyd?

[Lester Tutor]

I pasted the OP into wordcounter.net and got 1,177 words. That's more than 4 1/2 pages at Times New Roman 12 font, double spaced. That's not "literally a few paragraphs", that's an essay.

Factoring in that the TS is someone I have not seen any prior posts of and that the OP is about a topic that has been beat to death, I concluded that it was not a good use of my time to read it.

Essay, sentence, article. What does it matter? Strawman tactics from all you losers is funny. Nothing to say... typical.

Easy work.

[Lester Tutor]

Everything is just conjecture, a person's pieced together theory, wake us up when you got a smokin gun that proves or disproves something with irrefutable facts.

You still don't get it. It's not theory. I'm providing just as much ridicule about the empirical testimonies on VIDEO, and asking the question:

If it makes it easier in Layman's terms:

[SplitSecond]

You still don't get it. It's not theory. I'm providing just as much ridicule about the empirical testimonies on VIDEO, and asking the question:

If it makes it easier in Layman's terms:

http://www.boxing insider.com/headli...s-keith-kizer/(remove space after "boxing")

Keith Kizer quote:

I know that Richard Shaefer and Bob Arum back in early 2010 had said ***8220;look, can we just petition the commission and see if they***8217;ll be willing to do additional testing on our dime? I want to present that to them because we want everything au****ious of the athletic commission.***8221; I said ***8220;definitely.***8221; Any promoter can petition the commission for anything. It doesn***8217;t mean they***8217;ll say yes or they***8217;ll say no. So they both had agreed to that. I guess Mr. Pacquiao had agreed to that but Mr. Mayweather said no, he wasn***8217;t going to do that. And that***8217;s fine, I take no offense at that. I don***8217;t think anyone should. So if they had done that***8212;of course it would have to have been a joint-petition***8212;if they had done a joint-petition to the commission for additional drug testing where they***8217;d cover the cost so we wouldn***8217;t have any budget issues, we would have been happy to do that. We***8217;re still happy to do that. Again, my understanding is Golden Boy, Top Rank, and Pacquiao were in agreement to do that, but Mr. Mayweather decided not to do that, and that***8217;s his right.***8221;

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.

"I don't think anybody's test is as vigorous as the test administered by the Olympic Organization. And we can arrange for the Olympic Organization to handle the test under the supervision of the Athletic commission respective of the state where the fight is going to be held.

"We're not going to make this into a cowboy situation. We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight.

http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/100115.html

I can't find the article but team Pacquiao was willing to have the commission undergo WADA style testing.

But here's Mayweather: "NO NO NO! I WANT IT MY WAY!!!! WAAHH!! MY WAY ONLY!"

[Zaroku]

So now, thanks to Hauser, educating a new generation of trollers, has ''helped'' people understand, I hope, about the rules and differences from commissions or anti-doping agencies such as VADA or USADA and how they adhere to WADA codes, so let's pose the obvious questions:

Pacquiao is on record for stating that the REASON he lost to Morales was because he drew blood on The Day Of The Bout. Do we ever undisclose information about drug testing for bouts? Isn't this beneficial news when boxing fans know that their fighters agreed to a certain style of testing? Point is, it's not undisclosed information. Therefore, why didn't Manny explain to Larry Merchant at ring after losing to Morales? That the REASON he lost was because he felt weak from drawing blood on The Same Day, or rather, hours before? This is what Brian Kenny, from ESPN's interview, highlighted. Was it an editing error or narrative error that Kenny stated on ''The Day Of The Bout?'' Or rather, by convincing casual boxing fans that drawing blood on The Day Of The Bout was the reason why he didn't agree to Floyd's terms? In other words, Floyd's contract specifically stated, blood drawn on the day of the bout from both fighters? Is that what Floyd wanted? On The Day Of The Bout? Either question you choose, ask yourselves, why did ESPN want a confirmation from Pac during the interview that 14-15 days was still not good enough under Pac's terms? Or rather, is that what Pacquiao was acknowledging, that 14-15 days before the bout still inhibits performance?! Which one was it, The Day Of The Bout, or 14-15 days? Again, Paquiao stated that 15 days still inhibited training. The video interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCa1-X7ey5Y

Moving forward. Why did Dan Rafael in a similar interview state that Floyd, as well as Pac, used the same (NSAC) commission's rule, but when Floyd wanted WADA or shall we say ''Olympic Style,'' Dan Rafael chooses to have a fit as if Floyd created WADA's code? Rafael then goes on to state that Pacquiao was not required to draw blood under the RULES of the NSAC.. or rather, as he states, ''special considerations.''

As if USADA or VADA are special considerations because they require more than just pissing in a cup. Rafael stated that Floyd ''wants to change'' the rules of the commission. So choosing USADA or VADA changes the rules of a ''commission'' or more specifically that of NSAC?

Commission's aren't the only en****** that provide I guess an ''insurance'' to fighters regarding anti-dope testing. That's up to the promoters. Again, even Margaret Goodman, the CEO of VADA, stated that not all commissions choose WADA accredited labs due to the costs of testing, whereas the magnitude of May vs Pac and was not your ORDINARY anti-doping protocol such as ''just pissing in a cup'' or blood drawn or oh let's just say 3 times.

Therefore, why doesn't May or Pac get any credit for such rigorous testing for their fight after both tested negative from WADA accredited labs? Why did Dan Rafael believe that 24 days is good enough for Pac for Floyd's terms? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of rigorous testing? Common sense. Networks, conflicts of interest?

Later during that same interview with Brian Kenny and Dan Rafael, Teddy Atlas gets involved in the conversation moments later, stating, ''why would you walk away from 30 million dollars on the table, just not to take some blood?'' He then goes on to saying that Pacquiao wouldn't be afraid of needles considering he had tats. He also said, from his sources, in which he stated he trusted, that Pacquiao's team had asked Floyd's camp about the repercussions if any fighter were caught using PEDS - or rather tested positive - , what would the fine be?.... That's not just your walk in the park insinuation...

The thing is that when Pacquiao goes through questioning, usually after a loss, and it may be that he's just horrible at answering questions in general, but usually is not the case that a consistent lie would make more sense? Or the same answers or ''excuses'' would make more sense to doubt skepticism from an interviewee.

Larry Merchant, Brian Kenny, the Phillipino TV interview, Pac gave different reasons as to why he lost to Morales I... Anybody seeing any similarities towards the Mayweather Jr. loss?

Fast forward to May vs Pac, and the paradox or double standard of trollage begins again, so wouldn't it blow the heat from all the Floyd haters when Pacquiao lost? And so, instead of Pacquiao or Top Rank accusing Floyd of PED use, as Kevin Iole's facts about the fighters testing negative was is not good enough or objective? Wouldn't it be more ideal to hire a writer who has been after Floyd for years? And who has written about Ali - which Of Course, it guess gives him the credibility as the godfather of knowing the sport of boxing, the best chance to discredit Floyd? Or rather, have everyone hate Floyd by providing cherry picked out of context material?

Revisiting to the Phillipino TV interview, Pacquiao states that the commission demanded ''another'' blood sample, that the ''hospital'' lost his ''records.''

I'm more than sure Pacquiao knows the difference between a lab and a hospital. Which general ''hospital'' was he referring to that oversaw the drug testing? Pacquiao explains in the interview that it is unlikely for a computer to lose records, sidetracking the fact that the original sample(s) were still where? Were the actual viles lost? Were the PAPER results lost too? Where the records from the labs themselves that actually did the testing lose the records too. None of this was added by Pacquiao's reasoning. We can guess that labs just throw away client records to save space - were those lost as well?

I mean seriously... If nobody has seen this scandal or rather the inconsistent set of lies over the years by Top Rank, I don't know..

To conclude, Pacquiao stated that it was the hospital's fault that they had lost the records, and that Pacquiao's team didn't want to pursue the case because the fight was near. Why did Pacquiao not state this to Brian Kenny? For the integrity of a PPV bout, surely Manny does not have to mention the lost records fiasco to Larry Merchant as to not hurt, again the integrity of an HBO broadcast. Manny stated that it was a ''tactic against him.'' By who? The NSAC? Golden Boy, or both? Surely not the NSAC because their protocols are way less rigorous than WADA style accredited lab testing at the time, or perhaps the ''hospital'' or WHOEVER the context was about (lol) was paid off? So Pacquiao concludes that blood drawn on The Day Of The Fight was the reason why he couldn't destroy Morales and that he felt very weak... hmmmmm

Again all these video testimonials are online. A good documentary would convey this comprehensibly.

This post is based on empirical observation from the testimonials on video, recorded, and nothing more.

My brother!
Let the war of words begin! Watch how logic goes out the window, when emotions control thought! This, unfortunately is not the age of reason!

Great well written post! I will watch and weigh in with a few logic type body shots!

Let's get it on! As mills lane used to say!

Stay down like the truest!

[Lester Tutor]

My brother!
Let the war of words begin! Watch how logic goes out the window, when emotions control thought! This, unfortunately is not the age of reason!

Great well written post! I will watch and weigh in with a few logic type body shots!

Let's get it on! As mills lane used to say!

Stay down like the truest!

Again, people seem to have missed the point. It doesn't matter what others say on Pacquiao's behalf. Fighters are held accountable for their words. People have CHOSEN to not acknowledge the fact that Pacquiao had THREE different reasons as to why he had lost to Morales I. That is the point of this article and it all relates to blood testing.

ESPN's failed narrative, as well as Pacquiao falling for their non-intended bait, had to, without thinking, bring up Mayweather Jr. Now of course the topic was perhaps on Mayweather Jr., but they should've been more careful with the programming as it would only come back to bite them years later NOW that most people have understood the whole jargin about WADA accredited lab testing! =)

Why is it that there's a CONVENIENT style to explain losses when it comes to Top Rank or Manny Pacquiao?

Here's where my article becomes the crème de la crème..

wait for it....

If blood testing on the ''day of the bout'' - again read my article - or rather 14-15 days weakens or ''inhibits'' Pacquiao's style of training then...

wait for it....

How is it possible that Pacquiao gave his last blood sample 9 days before the fight and not use the excuse that as the revised negotiations years ago, as Dan Rafael stated, 23 days before the fight would have been more ideal in beating Floyd?

wait for it...

But no! Let's just no inform the commission, because a shoulder injury IS [sarcasm] an anti-doping case, and we'll blame USADA - whom we've always hated - as the reason why we couldn't get a shot of Toradol an hour before...
which Margaret Goodman, the CEO of VADA stated Toradol is not ideal for a boxer and they should've still informed the commission.

Then Pacquio's form of inring post interviews haunts him, ''why was the reason you lost?'' Pac: Floyd didn't do anything...I think I won the fight... Kellerman expresses the question shockingly, ''you think you won the fight?'' As we all know very well that Kellerman, who's at least trying to cover boxing objectively who's pressured over HBO narrative, just don't buy it... The emotions are all there. You guys can watch..

The post conference comes in, ''It was old injury.'' Ladies and gentlemen, it become an injury!

As Floyd said before, and Top Rank is advised that they can sue Floyd because of the allegations that Pac is using performance enhancing drugs, or worse, years before on the roids.

But when Floyd wins, they know very well THEY can't accuse Floyd of PED's even though all tests came back negative, so they hire Hauser, and auxiliary or rogue writer in which they want people to believe that there's no conflict of interest because he's employed by HBO or that he oversees memberships in the BWAA.

C'mon as Floyd said about all this: ''All I ask is for a little blood, give a little urine, that's a crime?''

As Don King once said, ''that when a black businessman (in the context of promoting) earns 200K then all of a sudden it's wrong?...'' - Hauser's book, ''The Black Lights''

Why is that Hauser's article's of Floyd have bulbous images of Floyd's face and highly contrasted photoshop where the pixels are getting over saturated...as if that style of propaganda isn't coonage from the 30s.

I see you, Hauser.

[Jake_Lamotta]

http://www.boxing insider.com/headli...s-keith-kizer/(remove space after "boxing")

Keith Kizer quote:



http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/100115.html

I can't find the article but team Pacquiao was willing to have the commission undergo WADA style testing.

But here's Mayweather: "NO NO NO! I WANT IT MY WAY!!!! WAAHH!! MY WAY ONLY!"

****. *****s are toasted.


Watch them conveniently gloss over this post.

[radioraheem]

http://www.boxing insider.com/headli...s-keith-kizer/(remove space after "boxing")

Keith Kizer quote:

http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/100115.html

I can't find the article but team Pacquiao was willing to have the commission undergo WADA style testing.

But here's Mayweather: "NO NO NO! I WANT IT MY WAY!!!! WAAHH!! MY WAY ONLY!"

NSAC didn't have a random drug testing program at that time. Nothing was implemented on the NSAC side. So that actually couldn't happen.

[Lester Tutor]

NSAC didn't have a random drug testing program at that time. Nothing was implemented on the NSAC side. So that actually couldn't happen.

Yes, and as Dan Rafael stated, Manny was not obligated under the NSAC to draw blood or that Pacquiao stated in my picture provided, would rather use the NSAC. People seem to forget that choosing a ''third-party'' such as VADA or USADA which promoters agree, is ''bad.'' This is what Dan Rafael is clearly insinuating in that interview. As if the NSAC would be the defacto medium for the most accurate 100% drug testing department in favor of Pacquiao or boxing in general?

I mean shockingly enough, how many people justified that Kovale's shirt wasn't a form of racism...again sadly =( oh boy, and HBO related fighter... c'mon...

[Lester Tutor]

http://www.boxing insider.com/headli...s-keith-kizer/(remove space after "boxing")

Keith Kizer quote:



http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/100115.html

I can't find the article but team Pacquiao was willing to have the commission undergo WADA style testing.

But here's Mayweather: "NO NO NO! I WANT IT MY WAY!!!! WAAHH!! MY WAY ONLY!"

lol. ESPN ''staff'' and the article headline starts in ''quotes''

ESPN. go figure. You post a picture of a baby whining when it's clearly showing that Arum is having a fit that USADA is involved... the guys that brought down BALCO and disclosed information about Armstrong - which Armstrong never refuted.

hmmm. 2011. The year VADA was founded...

[Basco]

It is ground breaking information. You need to read it. It's not theory. I'm providing examples from three different sources that coincedes up to his reasoning loss against Floyd.

You are levels above NSB with your research and exposition. Some educated ones will read, ponder and research some more, others will complain about being too long! Can't fix ******!