Why did Manny oppose to WADA back in 2010 vs Floyd?

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  • Rath
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    #111
    Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
    I see how you just want to be involved in a conversation. Btw, anytime you going to refute any of my paragraphs? How many posts are you going to follow me?
    the first or second time i asked you about that RN name you were talking about Floyd undies now i asked you again this time you answered Pac's breakfast waiter. hmmm

    mr let me educate you hahahahahaha

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    • Cinci Champ
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      #112
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      This is too long to read right now. If the main point is Manny probably used PED's-I think you should keep making more threads just like it, just be a bit more conservative with your word usage rate.
      how is it too long to read? its a very well thought out observation

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        #113
        lol at everyone saying its to long to read. lol its literally a few paragraphs if that dont show the stat of society being lazy what does lmao

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        • .!WAR MIKEY!.
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          #114
          Originally posted by Cinci Champ
          lol at everyone saying its to long to read. lol its literally a few paragraphs if that dont show the stat of society being lazy what does lmao
          It's not a indication of anything, just people are fed up with the topic. The subject matter is not intriguing to anyone who is not a dick riding fanboy hellbent on a agenda, us real boxing fans don't got time nor the patience to read a flomo or pactard new presentation on why they believe this or that. Everything is just conjecture, a person's pieced together theory, wake us up when you got a smokin gun that proves or disproves something with irrefutable facts.
          Last edited by .!WAR MIKEY!.; 09-22-2015, 10:37 PM.

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          • BrometheusBob.
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            #115
            Originally posted by SplitSecond
            Found a better quality vid, clears it up.
            Lol comon everyone knows you can't gain any insight into a situation with high quality slow motion videos. Why bother?

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              #116
              Originally posted by Cinci Champ
              lol at everyone saying its to long to read. lol its literally a few paragraphs if that dont show the stat of society being lazy what does lmao
              I pasted the OP into wordcounter.net and got 1,177 words. That's more than 4 1/2 pages at Times New Roman 12 font, double spaced. That's not "literally a few paragraphs", that's an essay.

              Factoring in that the TS is someone I have not seen any prior posts of and that the OP is about a topic that has been beat to death, I concluded that it was not a good use of my time to read it.
              Last edited by BrometheusBob.; 09-22-2015, 10:57 PM.

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                #117
                Originally posted by SugarKaineHook
                So now, thanks to Hauser, educating a new generation of trollers, has ''helped'' people understand, I hope, about the rules and differences from commissions or anti-doping agencies such as VADA or USADA and how they adhere to WADA codes, so let's pose the obvious questions:

                Pacquiao is on record for stating that the REASON he lost to Morales was because he drew blood on The Day Of The Bout. Do we ever undisclose information about drug testing for bouts? Isn't this beneficial news when boxing fans know that their fighters agreed to a certain style of testing? Point is, it's not undisclosed information. Therefore, why didn't Manny explain to Larry Merchant at ring after losing to Morales? That the REASON he lost was because he felt weak from drawing blood on The Same Day, or rather, hours before? This is what Brian Kenny, from ESPN's interview, highlighted. Was it an editing error or narrative error that Kenny stated on ''The Day Of The Bout?'' Or rather, by convincing casual boxing fans that drawing blood on The Day Of The Bout was the reason is why he didn't agree to Floyd's terms? In other words, Floyd's contract specifically stated, blood drawn on the day of the bout from both fighters? Is that what Floyd wanted? On The Day Of The Bout? Either question you choose, ask yourselves, why did ESPN want a confirmation from Pac during the interview that 14-15 days was still not good enough under Pac’s terms? Or rather, is that what Pacquiao was acknowledging, that 14-15 days before the bout still inhibits performance?! Which one was it, The Day Of The Bout, or 14-15 days? Again, Paquiao stated that 15 days still inhibited training. The video interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCa1-X7ey5Y

                Moving forward. Why did Dan Rafael in a similar interview state that Floyd, as well as Pac, used the same (NSAC) commission's rule, but when Floyd wanted WADA or shall we say ''Olympic Style,'' Dan Rafael chooses to have a fit as if Floyd created WADA's code? Rafael then goes on to state that Pacquiao was not required to draw blood under the RULES of the NSAC.. or rather, as he states, ''special considerations.'' As if USADA or VADA are special considerations because they require more than just pissing in a cup. Rafael stated that Floyd ''wants to change'' the rules of the commission. So choosing USADA or VADA changes the rules of a ''commission'' or more specifically that of NSAC?

                Commission's aren't the only en****** that provide I guess an ''insurance'' to fighters regarding anti-dope testing. That's up to the promoters. Again, even Margaret Goodman, the CEO of VADA, stated that not all commissions choose WADA accredited labs due to the costs of testing, whereas the magnitude of May vs Pac and was not your ORDINARY anti-doping protocol such as ''just pissing in a cup'' or blood drawn… or oh let's just say 3 times.
                Therefore, why doesn't May or Pac get any credit for such rigorous testing for their fight after both tested negative from WADA accredited labs? Why did Dan Rafael believe that 24 days is good enough for Pac for Floyd's terms? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of rigorous testing? Common sense. Networks… conflicts of interest?

                Later during that same interview with Brian Kenny and Dan Rafael, Teddy Atlas gets involved in the conversation moments later, stating, ''why would you walk away from 30 million dollars on the table, just not to take some blood?'' He then goes on to saying that Pacquiao wouldn't be afraid of needles considering he had tats. He also said, from his sources, in which he stated he trusted, that Pacquiao's team had asked Floyd's camp about the repercussions if any fighter were caught using PEDS - or rather tested positive - , what would the fine be?.... That's not just your walk in the park insinuation...

                The thing is that when Pacquiao goes through questioning, usually after a loss, and it may be that he's just horrible at answering questions in general, but usually isn’t it the case that a consistent lie would make more sense? Or the same answers or ''excuses'' would make more sense to doubt skepticism from an interviewee.
                Larry Merchant, Brian Kenny, the Phillipino TV interview, Pac gave different reasons as to why he lost to Morales I... Anybody seeing any similarities towards the Mayweather Jr. loss?
                Fast forward to May vs Pac, and the paradox or double standard of trollage begins again…so wouldn't it blow the heat from all the Floyd haters when Pacquiao lost? And so, instead of Pacquiao or Top Rank accusing Floyd of PED use, as Kevin Iole's facts about the fighters testing negative wasn’t good enough or objective, wouldn't it be more ideal to hire a writer who has been after Floyd for years? And who has written about Ali - which Of Course, it guess gives him the credibility as the godfather of knowing the sport of boxing, the best chance to discredit Floyd? Or rather, have everyone hate Floyd by providing cherry picked out of context material?

                Revisiting to the Phillipino TV interview, Pacquiao states that the commission demanded ''another'' blood sample, that the ''hospital'' lost his ''records.''
                I'm more than sure Pacquiao knows the difference between a lab and a hospital. Which general ''hospital'' was he referring to that oversaw the drug testing? Pacquiao explains in the interview that it’s unlikely for a computer to lose records, sidetracking the fact that the original sample(s) were still where? Were the actual viles lost? Were the PAPER results lost too? Where the records from the labs themselves that actually did the testing lose ‘’records’’ too. None of this was added by Pacquiao’s reasoning. We can guess that labs just throw away client records to save space - were those lost as well?
                I mean seriously... If nobody has seen this scandal or rather the inconsistent set of lies over the years by Top Rank, I don't know..

                To conclude, Pacquiao stated that it was the hospital's fault that they had lost the records, and that Pacquiao's team didn't want to pursue the case because the fight was near. Why didn’t Pacquiao state this to Brian Kenny? For the integrity of a PPV bout, surely Manny doesn’t have to mention the lost records fiasco to Larry Merchant as to not hurt, again the integrity of an HBO broadcast. Manny stated that it was a ''tactic against him.'' By who? The NSAC? Golden Boy, or both? Surely not the NSAC because their protocols are way less rigorous than WADA style accredited lab testing at the time, or perhaps the ''hospital'' or WHOEVER the context was about (lol) was paid off? So Pacquiao concludes that blood drawn on The Day Of The Fight was the reason why he couldn't destroy Morales… that he felt very weak... hmmmmm

                Again all these video testimonials are online. A good documentary would convey this comprehensibly.

                This post is based on empirical observation from the testimonials on video, recorded, and nothing more.
                Is this an essay for your esl class?

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                • ganthet
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                  #118
                  Originally posted by considerthis
                  Is this an essay for your esl class?
                  ^LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  This Froid **** rider OP has Froid's **** so far up his ass that he feels the need to create a new thread about old news just to deflect the attention from the IV thread LOL!

                  And I would advise anyone who hasn't read that garbage to not to. The guy just bastardized the very definition of Olympic Style Drug Testing in the IV thread just to defend his God Froid and keep his "defend Froid at all costs" crusade going. Yep, the OP is truly a ******. Seriously, you guys need to check it out. It's only a few sentences compared to this long ass garbage LMAO!
                  Last edited by ganthet; 09-23-2015, 12:07 AM.

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                  • imperial1
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by ganthet
                    ^LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    This Froid **** rider OP has Froid's **** so far up his ass that he feels the need to create a new thread about old news just to deflect the attention from the IV thread LOL!

                    And I would advise anyone who hasn't read that garbage to not to. The guy just bastardized the very definition of Olympic Style Drug Testing in the IV thread just to defend his God Froid and keep his "defend Froid at all costs" crusade going. Yep, the OP is truly a ******. Seriously, you guys need to check it out. It's only a few sentences compared to this long ass garbage LMAO!


                    ^^^^^^^

                    This !!

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                    • Lester Tutor
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                      #120
                      Maybe I should make it more clear:

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