Why did Manny oppose to WADA back in 2010 vs Floyd?

[Johnny Rubber]

So now, thanks to Hauser, educating a new generation of trollers, has ''helped'' people understand, I hope, about the rules and differences from commissions or anti-doping agencies such as VADA or USADA and how they adhere to WADA codes, so let's pose the obvious questions:

Pacquiao is on record for stating that the REASON he lost to Morales was because he drew blood on the day of the bout. Do we ever undisclose information about drug testing for bouts? Isn't this beneficial news when boxing fans know what their fighters agree to? Point is, it's not undisclosed information. Therefore, why didn't Manny explain to Larry Merchant at ring after his loss in Morales I, that the REASON he lost was because he felt weak from drawing blood on that day? This is what Brian Kenny from ESPN's interview highlighted. Was it an editing error or narrative error that Kenny highlighted on ''the day of the bout?'' Or rather, trying to convince casual fans that drawing blood on the day of the bout was the reason why he didn't agree to Floyd's terms? In other words, Floyd's contract specifically wanted blood drawn on the day of the bout? Is that what Floyd wanted, on the day of the bout? Either question you choose, why does ESPN further the information that 14-15 days is still not good enough for Pac, or rather that's what Pacquiao is acknowledging?! In that same interview, Paquiao states that 15 days still ''inhibits'' training. He specifically uses the word ''inhibit.''

Moving forward. Why does Dan Rafael in another similar interview state that Floyd as well as Pac have used the same (NSAC) commission's rule, but when Floyd wanted WADA or shall we say ''Olympic Style,'' Dan Rafael chooses to have a fit as if Floyd created WADA's code. Rafael then goes on to state that Pacquiao was not required to draw blood under the RULES of the NSAC.. or rather, ''special considerations,'' as if USADA or VADA are special considerations because they require more than just pissing in a cup. Rafael says that Floyd ''wants to change'' the rules of the commission. So choosing USADA or VADA changes the rules of a ''commission'' or more specifically that of NSAC?

Commission's aren't the only en****** that provide I guess an ''insurance'' to fighters regarding anti-dope testing. That's up to the promoters. Again, even Margaret Goodman, the CEO of VADA, stated that not all commissions choose WADA accredited labs due to the costs of testing, whereas the magnitude of May vs Pac and is not your ORDINARY anti-doping protocol such as ''just pissing in a cup'' or drawn blood just oh let's say 3 times. Therefore, why doesn't May or Pac get any credit for such rigorous testing for their fight after both tested negative from WADA accredited labs? Why does Dan Rafael believe that 24 days is good enough for Pac for Floyd's terms? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of rigorous testing? Common sense.

When Teddy Atlas gets involved with the conversation, he states, ''why would you walk away from 30 million dollars on the table just not to take some blood?'' He then goes on to saying that Pacquiao wouldn't be afraid of needles considering he has tats. He also said from his sources, in which he stated he trusted, that Pacquiao's team had asked Floyd's camp about the repercussions if any fighter were caught on PEDS or rather tested positive, and what would've been the fine.... That's not just your walk in the park insinuation...

My thing is that when Pacquiao goes through questioning, and it may be that he's horrible in answering questions in general, but usually consistent or the same answers or ''excuses'' would make more sense. Larry Merchant, Brian Kenny, Phillipino TV interview, all different reasons as to why he lost to Morales I... Anybody seeing any similarities towards Mayweather Jr. Wouldn't it blow the heat from all the Floyd haters that he beat Pacquiao. And so, instead of Pacquiao or Top Rank accusing Floyd of PED use, for instance Kevin Iole's facts about the fighters testing negative, wouldn't it be more ideal to hire a writer who has been after Floyd for years, and who has written about Ali - which of course I guess gives him the credibility or godfather of knowing the sport of boxing - the best chance to discredit Floyd, or rather have everyone hate him with out of context cherry picking?

Going back to the Phillipino TV interview, he states that the commission demanded ''another'' blood sample, that the ''hospital'' lost his ''records.'' I'm more than sure Pacquiao knows the difference between a lab and a hospital, or rather, who is this ''hospital'' that is overseeing what out of context anti-doping oversight? Pacquiao states that how is it possible that ''computer'' records could be lost, sidetracking the fact of the original sample(s) were still where? Were the actual viles lost? Were the PAPER results lost? Where the records from lab themselves - because labs throw away client records to save space - where does lost as well? I mean seriously... If nobody has seen this scandal or rather inconsistent set of lies over the years by Top Rank I don't know..

Furthermore, Pacquiao states that it's the hospital's fault that they had lost the records, and that Pacquiao's team didn't want to pursue the case because the fight was near. Why wasn't this said to Brian Kenny? He doesn't have to mention to Larry Merchant as to not hurt the integrity of HBO's broadcast or the ''sport.'' Manny states that it was a ''tactic against him.'' By who? The NSAC? Golden Boy, or both? Surely not the NSAC because their protocols are way less rigorous than WADA style accredited lab testing, or perhaps the ''hospital'' or WHOEVER the context is about (lol) was paid off? So Pacquiao concludes that because of the blood drawn on the day of the fight is the reason why he couldn't destroy Morales, that he felt so weak... hmmmmm

Again all these video testimonials are online. A good documentary would convey this comprehensibly.

This post is based on empirical observation from the testimonials on video, recorded, nothing more.

Floyd had a chance to fight Manny at both their primes and pulled the ped card. Take from that what you will.

[M4RK]

Because Floyd wanted his own testing, not the usual one that every boxer was subject to. Manny of course said gtfo, what makes you bigger than the sport.

Indeed manny was right, floyd paid out the anti doping agency.

See you can never go down the road of conflicting interest. It only leads to corruption.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Who cares..May dominated him when they finally met..

[Johnny Rubber]

[QUOTE=LarryXXX;16074507]I will post this one this and i am done

1-Funny when Floyd first demanded drug testing it was cowardly and he should let the commission do their job!!!

2-fast forward and now the commission can not be trusted

3-Random drug testing was for cowards until Manny got put to sleep by Jmm,then all the sudden he demanded it

They claim Floyd avoided Manny when Manny is the one who walked away from 50/50 and random testing(which he agreed to later)


ALL in all both made 10 times the amount they would have made in 2010 for 1 fight and more for their other fights as this fight kept their other fights more interesting....WAS IT ALL PLANNED??? MAYBE[/QUOTE]

Good shout Larry and unbiased for a change both are involved with shady people and only have their own interests/promotion in mind. In today's world Dollars equal divinity.

[Lester Tutor]

Because Floyd wanted his own testing, not the usual one that every boxer was subject to. Manny of course said gtfo, what makes you bigger than the sport.

Indeed manny was right, floyd paid out the anti doping agency.

See you can never go down the road of conflicting interest. It only leads to corruption.

Right, that's why Floyd and Mosley fought under USADA. Need we revisit Mosley?

You didn't read my article. What is ''his own testing.'' That doesn't make any sense. Let me remind you:

''Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao were each tested 19 times for performance-enhancing drug use both prior to and following their May 2 mega-fight at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, and both men passed all of the examinations.'' -Kevin Iole / May 2015

[Lester Tutor]

All I need to know is that Pac was refused doctor prescribed medication for an injury prior to his fight with Floyd while the latter was caught trying to conceal an illegal IV in his home, which he claimed was for dehydration purposes when he allegedly never deviates more than 3 pounds from his fighting weight

I know, it makes no sense unless a certain organization was being paid to allow a certain fighter to cheat.

Again, on record, VADA CEO - Margaret Goodman, stated on Al Bernstein's own Youtube channel that Toradol is not ideal for a boxer, and that he and his camp still should've informed the COMMISSION. She didn't say ''it is the responsibility of the anti-doping agencies to approve INJURY CASES.''

Ah it feels so good to be correct. =)

[Lester Tutor]

Floyd would have made the call for usada to draw a gallon from pac. And he would have never been tested ...


Floyd and usada >>>>>weakened pac

I think floyd has proven not only has he never beaten a lrime hall of famer or ATG, but that he wouldnt ever fight one on fair terms.

Wait a minute, isn't Floyd on record for notoriously stating how many times he was on the B side? It was by beating Oscar De La Hoya that bonafide Floyd's status.

Was Floyd ever considered an amazing p4p status before De La Hoya? That's not a rhetorical question btw.

[IR0NFIST]

Again, you can't refute my article!

I could prove a blue clear skies day, yet you're type that would say ''empirical science testing doesn't matter, everything is subjective, therefore the sky could be interpreted as pink.''

In order for your thread to be considered an "article", it would have to be publicized by a newspaper, magazine, or other media outlet. The odds of that happening are never in a million years.

And for the record, the word "can't" would imply that I'm unable to provide a response to your argument; which couldn't be further from the truth. I simply "won't" address it at all, that task is far more suited for a garbage man.

[imperial1]

Right, that's why Floyd and Mosley fought under USADA. Need we revisit Mosley?

You didn't read my article. What is ''his own testing.'' That doesn't make any sense. Let me remind you:

''Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao were each tested 19 times for performance-enhancing drug use both prior to and following their May 2 mega-fight at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, and both men passed all of the examinations.'' -Kevin Iole / May 2015

Well if Floyd was never granted that TUE 19 days later he would have came up dirty so all this is moot

[Lester Tutor]

I will post this one this and i am done

1-Funny when Floyd first demanded drug testing it was cowardly and he should let the commission do their job!!!

2-fast forward and now the commission can not be trusted

3-Random drug testing was for cowards until Manny got put to sleep by Jmm,then all the sudden he demanded it

They claim Floyd avoided Manny when Manny is the one who walked away from 50/50 and random testing(which he agreed to later)


ALL in all both made 10 times the amount they would have made in 2010 for 1 fight and more for their other fights as this fight kept their other fights more interesting....WAS IT ALL PLANNED??? MAYBE

+1.

I did have a thought months ago if Floyd and Pac were just taking everyone for a ride...sure anything is possible. However, this means Pac agreed to be the defeated...