Whose 49-0 is truly greater? Mayweather or Marciano?

[NChristo]

Just name one guy Fraud Armstrong beat who is better than Joe Louis (top 3 HW all time by anyone's list).

The only win Fraud Armstrong has that comes close is Manny Pacquiao, but Manny has already been KTFO6 by JMM.

Henry's win over Manny is a thing of legend.

[Avenge Myself]

I agree Wlad is by far the most popular and important champion of the last decade, such a bad man.

Wlad's fights in Germany are Superbowl level. You need to get out of your house more.

If Wlad was American he would be FAR bigger than Fraud Jr. You wouldn't even hear about Fraud Jr's name if the hw champion was american.

[!! Shawn]

So how does it work in regards to the Boxrec rankings?

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Bo...gs_Description

Its complicated math.

But basically, every career starts off at zero. You earn a portion of your opponent's points for a win, if your opponent has atleast 50% of your own rating. The portion is determined by how clear the result is. A clear points decision or knockout, nets the highest. A sd, or a draw has the potential to either lose or gain a fighter points, depending on the rating of the opponent.

Its gets more complicated though, because there are different launch states, so it factors in whether or not an opponent is coming in on a 4 loss streak, or is on a winning streak.

It also retroactively makes adjustments, based on the next few fights of the opponent. So fighting a once great fighter at the end of their career, that goes on to lose their next 5 fights, doesn't end up netting you the same points gain as beating a great fighter in their prime, who goes on another winning streak and gains another championship.

The reason its a great system is because it factors in every active fighter, every opponent of every opponent of every opponent of a fighter.

So lets say fighter A vs fighter B
Fighter B's rating has been determined based on his entire career, as have the rating of each of his opponents, and each of their opponents. So the system very clearly separates out fighters who pad their records with tomato cans, or who go a step further and pad their record with undefeated fighters who build their records against bums with 1-30 records.

[IronDanHamza]

And most people dismissing Marciano have no clue of boxing history or how greatness is defined.

Fact: Rocky's KO win over old Joe Louis > Floyd's win over past prime Manny Pacquiao who has already been KTFO6 by Jmm.

Fact: Rocky beat all time great heavyweights, you can say they were past it but so were Oscar, Mosley, etc.

Fact: Rocky was a real man, Floyd was an IV drug cheat and a coward.

Fact: Heavyweight > Welterweight. We remember the Alis, Tysons, Louises, and Marcianos. Who the fk is gonna remember little Floydie 50 years from now?

Marciano beat one ATG Heavyweight and the was Louis and he was clearly finished at that point.

Obviously I don't need to remind anyone that Welterweight is a much deeper division historically than Heavyweight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd by far... Rocky's best wins are faded old guys.. Equivalent to floyd beating shane, Oscar or genero... But rocky doesn't possess wins like marquez, manny, Canelo, Maidana, Hatton corrales, castillo,

Floyd has better wins and more of them, plus a lot better longevity..
He was an undefeated p4p champ for 17 years... Pretty impressive feat

[IronDanHamza]

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Bo...gs_Description

Its complicated math.

But basically, every career starts off at zero. You earn a portion of your opponent's points for a win, if your opponent has atleast 50% of your own rating. The portion is determined by how clear the result is. A clear points decision or knockout, nets the highest. A sd, or a draw has the potential to either lose or gain a fighter points, depending on the rating of the opponent.

Its gets more complicated though, because there are different launch states, so it factors in whether or not an opponent is coming in on a 4 loss streak, or is on a winning streak.

It also retroactively makes adjustments, based on the next few fights of the opponent. So fighting a once great fighter at the end of their career, that goes on to lose their next 5 fights, doesn't end up netting you the same points gain as beating a great fighter in their prime, who goes on another winning streak and gains another championship.

The reason its a great system is because it factors in every active fighter, every opponent of every opponent of every opponent of a fighter.

So lets say fighter A vs fighter B
Fighter B's rating has been determined based on his entire career, as have the rating of each of his opponents, and each of their opponents. So the system very clearly separates out fighters who pad their records with tomato cans, or who go a step further and pad their record with undefeated fighters who build their records against bums with 1-30 records.

Sounds flawed.

How can it be a good system if it has Mayweather #7 of all time and #1 at Welterweight of all time for example?

[Avenge Myself]

Obviously I don't need to remind anyone that Welterweight is a much deeper division historically than Welterweight.

Typical Flowmole logic!!!!!!!

[NChristo]

Wlad's fights in Germany are Superbowl level. You need to get out of your house more.

If Wlad was American he would be FAR bigger than Fraud Jr. You wouldn't even hear about Fraud Jr's name if the hw champion was american.

Except he isn't American, so you're argument is invalid, sure he sells out in his Home country (I know he's Ukrainian), Froch used to sell out over here, am I supposed to attempt to make some kind of dumb argument that he's bigger then Floyd ?.

Floyd's an International star, something that the 'Baddest Man On The Planet' isn't.

[IronDanHamza]

Typical Flowmole logic!!!!!!!

Or just typical logic.

Welterweight is historically a lot deeper than Heavyweight. Are you actually trying to deny this?

[NChristo]

Sounds flawed.

How can it be a good system if it has Mayweather #7 of all time and #1 at Welterweight of all time for example?

How can it be a good system if Charles beats Moore and losses points but Moore gains them ?, doesn't make any sense at all.