Whose 49-0 is truly greater? Mayweather or Marciano?

[!! Shawn]

And most people dismissing Marciano have no clue of boxing history or how greatness is defined.

Fact: Rocky's KO win over old Joe Louis > Floyd's win over past prime Manny Pacquiao who has already been KTFO6 by Jmm.

Fact: Rocky beat all time great heavyweights, you can say they were past it but so were Oscar, Mosley, etc.

Fact: Rocky was a real man, Floyd was an IV drug cheat and a coward.

Fact: Heavyweight > Welterweight. We remember the Alis, Tysons, Louises, and Marcianos. Who the fk is gonna remember little Floydie 50 years from now?

Okay, that is dumb.

We also remember Willie Pep, Nicolino Locche, SRR, Henry Armstrong, Jose Napoles, etc... and need we mention Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler? Monzon?

[Jc8804]

I'm not even a big fan of Mayweather but to go 19 years as a pro undefeated, win that many titles across that many divisions against so many world champions is incredible. We might not ever see it again. People talk about him picking fighters at the right time but to turn up 19 years, never out of shape, have a bad night, get caught with a punch and KO'd is incredible. If it was that easy, more would do it. There's nobody today who could go through his record undefeated. The likes of Marquez, Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, etc..those types of guys took losses to each other but Floyd beat them all and stood alone. Thats the truth of the matter.

Very overated statement

[b00g13man]

Im not arguing Marciano is greater than Mayweather. p4p all time, Mayweather is greater than Marciano, owing to his longevity, and longer championship career.

Marciano beat the far more impressive opposition though.

2 of his opponents are ranked higher than Floyd all time p4p. 1 of them is ranked #1 ahead of Sugar Ray Robinson...

A 3rd is one of the most underrated fighters of all time, in Jersey Joe Walcott, who should have had a win over Joe Louis, and Knocked out #4 p4p all time Ezzard Charles with one of the craftiest moves of all time.

Lets not forget that Moore, the #1 p4p of all time by boxrec, was the last fight of Marciano's career.

That would be like Floyd finishing off his career facing Roberto Duran from the first fight against Leonard.

But unfortunately, Floyd doesn't even have a single win approaching that quality in his entire career.

Your argument is all over the place. If you think Marciano beat the "far more impressive opposition", why the hell wouldn't you have him ranked higher all time?

[NChristo]

What's Eder Jofre's ELO?

Lower than Fighting Harada's surely?

Talkin **** bout the Golden Rooster ?.



His ELO is untouchable mate.

[DreamerUSA]

Much further.

He's not an ATG.

While I certainly agree that Floyd's career is levels beyond Rocky's. I'm not sure I agree with him not being an ATG. He is'nt a high end ATG but I would certainly have him in the 80-100 range.

The Louis win we will throw out the window as he was clearly shot at that point.

Archie Moore was a hell of a win. Was he in his prime, no, but he was the current LHW champ at the time and went on to win it again after he lost to Marciano, and had years of success after that fight. He was still a top notch fighter when Rocky fought him, which speaks volumes to his greatness(Moore's).

Ezzard Charles were good wins. Rocky caught him on his last run at a title shot, and he certainly was'nt in his prime, but he was far from shot at that point. Rocky certainly put the death nail in Charles' career after the 2nd fight though.

Walcot was at the end as well, but he was heavyweight champ, so you can't knock the wins.

I would also give him credit for the LaStarza, ****ell and Matthews wins, as they were the type of guys that if they existed in an era of 4 champions, they would of almost certainly had a strap at some point.

In my book that gives him, one elite win and 7 high quality wins. Not to mention this is a guy with a style that should of never allowed him the success he had. Yet he did and he gets points for that in my book as well. Again, not barn burning ATG, but certainly a lower end ATG imo.

[IronDanHamza]

Im not arguing Marciano is greater than Mayweather. p4p all time, Mayweather is greater than Marciano, owing to his longevity, and longer championship career.

Marciano beat the far more impressive opposition though.

2 of his opponents are ranked higher than Floyd all time p4p. 1 of them is ranked #1 ahead of Sugar Ray Robinson...

A 3rd is one of the most underrated fighters of all time, in Jersey Joe Walcott, who should have had a win over Joe Louis, and Knocked out #4 p4p all time Ezzard Charles with one of the craftiest moves of all time.

Lets not forget that Moore, the #1 p4p of all time by boxrec, was the last fight of Marciano's career.

That would be like Floyd finishing off his career facing Roberto Duran from the first fight against Leonard.

But unfortunately, Floyd doesn't even have a single win approaching that quality in his entire career.

Well your whole point is ****** because the Boxrec ranking system is completely ******.

Did you really just say that Marciano beating that version of Moore is the equivalent to beating Roberto Duran in 1980?!? What the **** are you smoking?

Again, saying "Marciano beat #1 ranked P4P fighter on Boxrec" is completely flawed and illogical because he's ranked there for his LHW work not his HW work, same for Charles.

Do you actually consider this bull**** legit or are you joking? I can't tell.

[Avenge Myself]

Okay, that is dumb.

We also remember Willie Pep, Nicolino Locche, SRR, Henry Armstrong, Jose Napoles, etc... and need we mention Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler? Monzon?

Oh please, none of these guys came close to the aura that Ali, Tyson,and Louis had. When Tyson walked the streets of London it was like a zombie apocalypse in the streets, when Ali and Foreman went to Africa it was like a revolution broke out over there. Heavyweights are another level, fact.

No one outside of hardcore boxing fans even know who henry armstrong is.

The HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION is the most important figure in the sport and the baddest man in the planet, period.

[Avenge Myself]

Just name one guy Fraud Armstrong beat who is better than Joe Louis (top 3 HW all time by anyone's list).

The only win Fraud Armstrong has that comes close is Manny Pacquiao, but Manny has already been KTFO6 by JMM.

Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano will both be ranked higher than the IV Fraud cheater.

[NChristo]

Oh please, none of these guys came close to the aura that Ali, Tyson,and Louis had. When Tyson walked the streets of London it was like a zombie apocalypse in the streets, when Ali and Foreman went to Africa it was like a revolution broke out over there. Heavyweights are another level, fact.

No one outside of hardcore boxing fans even know who henry armstrong is.

The HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION is the most important figure in the sport and the baddest man in the planet, period.

I agree Wlad is by far the most popular and important champion of the last decade, such a bad man.

[IronDanHamza]

Talkin **** bout the Golden Rooster ?.



His ELO is untouchable mate.

What the **** is that I am completely confused

What about Napoles then his ELO must be low the amount of times he got KTFO (by cuts)