Whose 49-0 is truly greater? Mayweather or Marciano?

[IronDanHamza]

But I'm not just doing that. I realize that if he had fought all of those guys in prime years his record would be quite incredible and I'd rate him even higher. (Hm, that statement applies pretty well for both guys)

How aren't you?

You considered them "Realy big wins". Why? Why else would they be if it wasn't name value?

And Floyd fought guys that weren't at their best but they were closer to their best than most of those names Marciano fought.

That's after the fact that Mayweather's wins outside of those "names" completely eclipse Marciano's.

How many wins does Marciano have over Top 10 opponents? Barely any.

[BrometheusBob.]

Marciano is arguably not even a Top 10 HW so how on Earth could he be anywhere close to Top 25 of all time?

I don't know why that suprises you. It's not an uncommon view.

Shows what I know I suppose.

[DannyNL]

Joe Louis was right about Pacquiao's age in the May/Pac fight
Don't get me wrong this was not the best Joe Louis by any stretch, but the guy had rode several wins going into this fight - he was not totally washed either.

You can't compare 35 today to 35 back in the 40s and 50s. It's a completely different thing with the advancements in medical and sports science.

It's also a completely different context. Joe was retired and forced back in due to tax troubles. Manny had been an active fighter to that point.

[IronDanHamza]

You can't compare 35 today to 35 back in the 40s and 50s. It's a completely different thing with the advancements in medical and sports science.

Well age is just a number anyway. Everyone ages different.

Bernard Hopkins was still a top fighter at age 40 whereas Wilfred Benitez was shot before 30.

Everyone's different.

[IronDanHamza]

That's hindsight bias bro. You have the benefit of being alive to see a declining Mosley, Cotto and Oscar but you weren't alive to witness the decline of Charles, Louis and Walcott. All you see is a list of names with a green W box.

Always the way.

Same thing will happen with Mayweather in years to come, you watch.

He will be extremely overrated, especially if certain guys get in the HOF.

They will look at his resume and see undefeated and names such as Oscar, Pacquaio, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez and blow those up.

Gatti will be a "HOF'er"

Hernandez will be a "HOF'er"

Hatton will likely be a "HOF'er"

If Canelo goes onto stardom he'll have a win over him when he was undefeated.

Then it will depend if Corrales, Castillo and Judah get in. All possibly could.

Brace yourself

[!! Shawn]

Why is Archie Moore #1 GOAT? Is it because he always avenged losses or something? Dude got straight up Gatti'd during some fights

Because he beat more high ranked fighters than anyone else.

Boxrec is elo based.

For example, Floyds peak elo was 2500.

in 1955 alone, Moore beat 3 people with 2500 elo or higher... IN A ROW.

Moors peak elo was over 6100...

Floyd 2500 - Moore 6100 elo...

Moore's elo when he fought Marciano was 5083, making Marciano's win over Moore objectively TWICE as good as a win over Floyd would be.

Joe Walcott had an elo of 3000+ for the first fight with Marciano, making him also a better win than beating Floyd Mayweather.

Thats the thing, people are arguing that Floyd had better quality wins. Marciano has more than one win that is better quality than BEATING FLOYD, in some cases SIGNIFICANTLY higher quality.

There is a reason why most of the greatest of all time were from an older time.

in the 30-40's, there where ~300k fights a year, compare that to 100k fights a year now. Part of that is because fighters fought more often, but a lot of it is because there were more fighters, fighting more. When you rise to the top in a time where there are more fighters, and you are fighting more often, are more likely to have fought better fighters, who rose in a deeper talent pool.

Fighters today are at a disadvantage, simply because boxing doesn't have the same depth of talent that it had back then when it was the premier sport in the world.

[!! Shawn]

Both have that ranking for their LHW work.

What are you trying to say here? That Marciano's era wasn't weak?

Yet Charles was Heavweight Champion of the World for several years before being unseated by the perfect punch from Walcott.



Were talking about an era where heavyweights routinely weighed less than 200lb. Neither Charles nor Moore were undersized for the division when they fought in it.

[Jc8804]

Mayweather cherry licked his way through .

Its all smoke and mirrors on paper.

Ill fight pac when he burns out. Ill fight hatton at 147 after he looks like crap vs collazo.

Ill fight canelo now while he is green and off josesito lopez and alfonzo gomez victories.

Ill fight ortiz who quit vs maidana .
Ill fight ghost who beat future all time great berto.

Ill fight old jmm a lil guy from 135 who went life and death with katsidis and juan diaz at a catchweight (sike got that fool,welcome to weterweight juan)

Ill fight zab off a journeymen beatdown.

Ill fight old shane off a 15 month layoff.

None of them were A fighters at the time he fought them
Shht,none of them were B fighters when he fought them.

All are and were c fighters except berto and ghost and ortiz. All three dudes were D fighters.
All hype ,All BS .
Even oscar was old and part time. Making albums and promoting . Gtfoh.

Marciano fought the best available competition in a tougher weight class. Never ducked anyone. He could of easily added 4 to 5 more wins to that 49-0.

Floyd is a product of careful matchmaking . I see right through his ped iv assss

[IronDanHamza]

Yet Charles was Heavweight Champion of the World for several years before being unseated by the perfect punch from Walcott.



Were talking about an era where heavyweights routinely weighed less than 200lb. Neither Charles nor Moore were undersized for the division when they fought in it.

It doesn't matter, saying "They are ranked #1 and #4 all time by Boxrec therefore it wasn't a weak Heavyweight era" is completely illogical.

Both are ranked there for their work at LHW, not at HW.

Charles is arguably a Top 15 HW, but more likely a 16-20 range.

Moore isn't even close.

And none of this changes the fact that Marciano's era was weak. Everyone knows his era was weak.

[NChristo]

How many title fights did Julio Cesar Chavez have at 49-0? How many titles did Marciano have at 49-0? This comparison is ridiculous in the context of Floyd. An old Joe Louis. That's like referring to Baldomir or Mosley in regards to age differential. Nostalgic love for the real facts at hand.

He had 1 title, because there was only 1 title, using that as an argument is just ****ing dumb, almost as dumb as using Boxrec rankings as some kind of legitimate source.

Floyd does take this clearly though.