Whose 49-0 is truly greater? Mayweather or Marciano?

[b00g13man]

Rocky Marciano fought during the era of "real" PRIZEFIGHTING, "real" BLOODSPORT", "real" FIGHTERS who went up the ring with full intention to hurt their opponent. And he fought "real" FIGHTING. If Rocky fought on this era and wins his 49-0 hell be way up there. If Floyd fought on Rocky's era, he will never even get pass his 20th fight, no promoter will get him, nobody will pay to watch him run around and pitty pat his opponents. Nobody. If floyd and rocky lives in the same era it will be like... https://********/Y2gOde2LRi4

Loooooooool. You've got a romaticised version of boxing back then, and you obviously weren't alive to witness it first hand. "Floyd types" have always existed.

[BrometheusBob.]

Joe Louis was always the favourite Literally. He was never an underdogfor a fight.

He was well passed it, wellllll passed it.

He retired after that fight. Just looking at him he looked a mess.

Why is this a good defense? He wasn't accidentally never an underdog. The fact that he wasn't the underdog to Marciano meant that there were people that expected him to win at the time. They saw what he had left in previous fights, they knew that Marciano was the far younger fight who was arguably in or near his physical prime, and they still expected Louis to be more likely to win. Comments in this thread are exaggerating the extent to which he no longer had it. Of course this wasn't the Joe Louis that fought Max Schmeling, who is arguably one of the best if not the best HW to ever box, but this was still a dam good fighter. Now he wasn't a monstruous favorite, but he didn't have to be in order to demonstrate my point.

This reminds me of the May/Pac situation in a way. Now I want to make it clear that by no means was this fight as significant as Mayweather/Pacquiao, nor was Joe Louis in anyway a top P4P fighter the way that Pacquiao was and is. But Pacquiao was a slight underdog to Mayweather. That wasn't an accident - it represented the fact that there were many people that felt Pacquiao demonstrated that he had the ability to win the fight. Additionally, Pacquiao entered that fight as the top WW under Mayweather by virtually all accounts, and by most as a top 3ish P4P fighter. Then after he lost, people started acting like he was way too washed up to compete all of a sudden, in order to diminish Mayweather's victory. This is similar to what is happening with Joe Louis in this thread, in that we are rewriting history here to diminish the quality of Marciano's victory. People at the time, that had saw Joe Louis in fights leading up to this one, did not feel he was as washed up as y'all are claiming he was. Joe Louis was seen as someone who had something left going into the fight, and in fact was one of the top rated heavyweights before the fight.

For example, these The Ring Magazine HW ratings were made at the end of 1950:

Ezzard Charles, Champion
1. Joe Louis
2. Lee Savold
3. Joey Maxim
4. Clarence Henry
5. Bob Baker
6. Rex Layne
7. Jersey Joe Walcott
8. Jack Gardner
9. Lee Oma
10. Rocky Marciano

(SOURCE: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...yweight--1950s)

In other words, despite that he was no longer the Joe Louis of old, he was STILL considered by those at the time to be the best HW fighter shy of the champion Ezzard Charles, to whom he lost to that year. THAT's the guy that Marciano beat. He didn't beat the legendary Joe Louis that fought in the 30s and 40s, but he still beat someone who was by The Ring's account the top contender at the time and a long reigning former champion. That is why it absolutely is a big win.

[onetwopunch]

PBF, He has wins over bigger names than Rocky did.

[Jake_Lamotta]

what the hell is wrong with dodging and tagging?

Christ, show some credibility. Don't quote 2 selected words from the sentence and pretend you don't know the question in hand.


That's an as$hole type of move. SMH.

[Jc8804]

Christ, show some credibility. Don't quote 2 selected words from the sentence and pretend you don't know the question in hand.


That's an as$hole type of move. SMH.

Larry still fighting till the end.
Gotta be like 6 mayweather fans left.
Sinking ship .gonna be holding your breath soon bruh

[Jc8804]

[QUOTE=Jake_Lamotta;16075965]Christ, show some credibility. Don't quote 2 selected words from the sentence and pretend you don't know the question in hand.


That's an as$hole type of move. Smh

Larry taking losses

[Fetta]

Loooooooool. You've got a romaticised version of boxing back then, and you obviously weren't alive to witness it first hand. "Floyd types" have always existed.

Rocky Syndrome

[Lester Tutor]

Larry still fighting till the end.
Gotta be like 6 mayweather fans left.
Sinking ship .gonna be holding your breath soon bruh

Funny you should say that. Let's contextualize your signature...

Everyone has a plan until they get hit -Tyson
How many times has Floyd been hit in the face...staggered or whatever...did Floyd ever come back to win the rounds? Has Floyd ever, on record, stated that he makes adjustments and shows it? I mean thank god boxing matches are recorded huh.

If your undefeated you didnt fight everyone -ALi
So I guess, and ironically with the name of the thread, Marciano didn't fight everyone. Paradoxical double standard as its in you signature and you're ''making fun of others.''

Hard work and medication -mayweather jr
How about this one from Floyd,
You hear certain things, negative things, all the time that aren't true, but you never hear about the positive. - Mayweather Jr.

[IronDanHamza]

Why is this a good defense? He wasn't accidentally never an underdog. The fact that he wasn't the underdog to Marciano meant that there were people that expected him to win at the time. They saw what he had left in previous fights, they knew that Marciano was the far younger fight who was arguably in or near his physical prime, and they still expected Louis to be more likely to win. Comments in this thread are exaggerating the extent to which he no longer had it. Of course this wasn't the Joe Louis that fought Max Schmeling, who is arguably one of the best if not the best HW to ever box, but this was still a dam good fighter. Now he wasn't a monstruous favorite, but he didn't have to be in order to demonstrate my point.

This reminds me of the May/Pac situation in a way. Now I want to make it clear that by no means was this fight as significant as Mayweather/Pacquiao, nor was Joe Louis in anyway a top P4P fighter the way that Pacquiao was and is. But Pacquiao was a slight underdog to Mayweather. That wasn't an accident - it represented the fact that there were many people that felt Pacquiao demonstrated that he had the ability to win the fight. Additionally, Pacquiao entered that fight as the top WW under Mayweather by virtually all accounts, and by most as a top 3ish P4P fighter. Then after he lost, people started acting like he was way too washed up to compete all of a sudden, in order to diminish Mayweather's victory. This is similar to what is happening with Joe Louis in this thread, in that we are rewriting history here to diminish the quality of Marciano's victory. People at the time, that had saw Joe Louis in fights leading up to this one, did not feel he was as washed up as y'all are claiming he was. Joe Louis was seen as someone who had something left going into the fight, and in fact was one of the top rated heavyweights before the fight.

For example, these The Ring Magazine HW ratings were made at the end of 1950:

(SOURCE: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...yweight--1950s)

In other words, despite that he was no longer the Joe Louis of old, he was STILL considered by those at the time to be the best HW fighter shy of the champion Ezzard Charles, to whom he lost to that year. THAT's the guy that Marciano beat. He didn't beat the legendary Joe Louis that fought in the 30s and 40s, but he still beat someone who was by The Ring's account the top contender at the time and a long reigning former champion. That is why it absolutely is a big win.

Because it was a little different back then, Louis was so loved by everyone.

But honestly? It's not as bad as people make out in all honesty. Louis was finished and a shell of himself but it was still decent.

[Kuyukut]

fraud IV record of 49 - 0... with more than half of his wins are certified snoozers can't be considered as great wins but i'd say the best word to describe his undefeated record is... forgettable wins.