Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Ward Should Unify, Stop Obsessing!

[Eastcoast]

And you know this for a fact? You have proof that fights have been proposed by Roc Nation and refused by the other title holders?

OK. Let's see it.

As much as Jay Z and Al Haymon dislike one another, James Prince and Al like each other even less. In order to play with Al though, you gotta hand him over control of your career. I think Ward's folks have too much pride for that.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

All you Hoping GGG gets Shut out just to force a Ward fight have another thing coming

B/R did a logical piece on why the Ward fight for GGG is truly not worth while right now. And before you call it BIASED, READ IT, it claims Ward would have a great shot at winning, because he is bigger, longe, and has great boxing skills.

In other words, Ward is great at holding, clinching and running.

As for GGG, he has much better fights coming up. Deal with it.

"According to Boxing News, Lee is ready and willing to make the fight, and WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman told ESPN Deportes (h/t ************.com) that he is just as anxious to make the winner of Cotto-Canelo face Golovkin as we are in seeing it.

In fact, according to the WBC, Golovkin should very much be next in line for a WBC title shot as he is listed as their interim champion (thusly the mandatory challenger)."

GGG is on the precipice of dominating the MW division. If Cotto beats Canelo, or the other way around, they will be the MW champion, and they will look pretty silly vacating that belt just to keep from having to fight GGG.

Any Canelo or Cotto fan who wants that are straight scared the pretenders are going to be exposed.

"Unifying the titles and becoming the lineal middleweight champion, as well as adding three impressive wins to his 14-fight title defense streak would launch the 33-year-old***8217;s career into rarefied middleweight air.

Golovkin***8217; s legacy as a middleweight would start to look as good as any fighter***8217;s ever, and a bout with Ward does nothing for it."

This is true, even if the haters don't want to admit it,

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...oid-andre-ward

[hitking]

What is this pretending? His last opponents are Rodriguez and Paul Smith, the guy has done nothing of note that benefits his career or stature in years. He's been riding the super six for how long now?

When people are saying he can't even get more than 100 people to his free autographs in his hometown on twitter, how is that pretending? When people are saying his tickets are being given away to his fights, how is that pretending? When he's fighting on BET with 325k viewers, how is that pretending? When he's trying to demand PPV money from fighting on the Canelo vs Cotto undercard, how is that pretending?

When it comes to Ward you're just an ass-licker. It mostly comes from your dislike of Abel.

Money aside. With the P4P top spot basically vacant. As a fight fan, how are you not salivating for a showdown between two guys are top 5 on pretty much every list? As a GGG fan. How are you not salivating at the opportunity for your guy to stamp his position as the besy fighter on the planet. Beating Lemieux won't do it. Beating the Lee-Saunders winner won't do it. Beating the Cotto-Canelo winner won't do it. You're not gonna make one red cent off of GGG's purses. So money aside, as a fight fan, and a fan of GGG. Explain to me why Ward isn't the fight you want most.

[icha]

Tom Loeffler, the managing director of K2 Promotions and the chief architect behind the ascension of Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin, was a bit miffed at the recent statements that were made by Andre Ward, who claims to have made a 50-50 offer to face Golovkin and criticized the WBA/WBO middleweight champion for turning him down.

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stop harassing!!!

[Eastcoast]

I didn't avoid anything. Its irrelevant to the conversation. But since you wanna go there. Roy wasn't in a position to dictate anything, and neither was Toney. Roy didn't wait out anything. He fought Toney no more than a couple years after Toney left middleweight. MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!!!! Its not Roy's fault Toney was lazy and ballooned up to 200lbs between fights and struggled to make 168.

As for the A-side/B-side. When the "A-side's" core fan base are hardcore fight fans. There's really not a lotta relevancy to the position. The same people that are willing to order GGG-Lemieux are willing to order Ward-GGG. Ward nor Lemieux bring in many non-fight fans. And the truth of the matter is. Thr percentage of hardcore fight fans that aren't GGG fans that aren't gonna order the Lemieux fight would definitely order the Ward fight. Because its a fight fans fight. So any notion that fighting Lemieux is more profitable than fighting Ward is pure nonsense. And just about as delusional as GGG's fans that think he's a crossover star.

Roy dictated when he was going to fight Toney and Roy had pull, he was HBO's golden child from the get go.

I agree Ward/Golovkin would do even bigger than Golovkin/Lemieux, but Ward takes too much of the pie. Ward and yourself are delusional as all hell if you think he has equal leverage in this fight. As I said before, Golovkin is the guy who has to give up the size to make the fight, he's also the guy with other fight options in his weight class, and he's also the guy who draws much better numbers w/o a top class opponent. Hell Golovkin drew better numbers with Monroe, Rubio, and Geale than Ward did in his mega fights with Dawson or Froch. It's no comparison.

If Ward wants this fight, he needs to show it like Hopkins did for Trinidad & Dela Hoya (I don't care Golovkin not as big as them, it's the same principle). Ward needs to tell K2 - "Tell me what you're financial demands are and send me the contract" - then sign it. That's the only way this fight happens, otherwise Ward can go kick rocks because he has zero options below 175.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I didn't avoid anything. Its irrelevant to the conversation. But since you wanna go there. Roy wasn't in a position to dictate anything, and neither was Toney. Roy didn't wait out anything. He fought Toney no more than a couple years after Toney left middleweight. MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!!!! Its not Roy's fault Toney was lazy and ballooned up to 200lbs between fights and struggled to make 168.

As for the A-side/B-side. When the "A-side's" core fan base are hardcore fight fans. There's really not a lotta relevancy to the position. The same people that are willing to order GGG-Lemieux are willing to order Ward-GGG. Ward nor Lemieux bring in many non-fight fans. And the truth of the matter is. Thr percentage of hardcore fight fans that aren't GGG fans that aren't gonna order the Lemieux fight would definitely order the Ward fight. Because its a fight fans fight. So any notion that fighting Lemieux is more profitable than fighting Ward is pure nonsense. And just about as delusional as GGG's fans that think he's a crossover star.

GGG is on precipice of being a huge star, look around you. Do you think all these comments on anything mentioning GGG and Ward do so because of Ward, dude couldn't sell out a fight in his own state.

GGG is a-side. And he should dictate terms the same way Ward did to Dawson. Ward hasn't realized he has fallen off.

As good as Ward has been, he’s been inside thering far too little to make a GGG fight as big as it needs to be to justify the risk.

Ward is bigger, longer, and holds a lot. That kind of risk you only take if it's worth it.

Ward has only been in the ring once over the last two years. He looked ok against Paul Smith, he wasn't anywhere near a decent fighter. He should have looked great against a fighter of that level.

There are other matchups for Ward at SMW and LHW. George Groves or Fedor Chudinov make sense, as does other LHW.

GGG is a star in within the hardcore fight community homie. When 90%+ of your fan base are hardcore fight fans. Which means the same people that are watching him fight bums are gonna wanna watch him fight Ward, plus some.

Hardcore fans don't make a lucrative fight. GGG would be taking a risk fixing the heavier, longer, Ward, and getting little for it. While also passi up on a chance to unify the MW, something whether you admit it or not is a big deal.

[T18Z]

Money aside. With the P4P top spot basically vacant. As a fight fan, how are you not salivating for a showdown between two guys are top 5 on pretty much every list? As a GGG fan. How are you not salivating at the opportunity for your guy to stamp his position as the besy fighter on the planet. Beating Lemieux won't do it. Beating the Lee-Saunders winner won't do it. Beating the Cotto-Canelo winner won't do it. You're not gonna make one red cent off of GGG's purses. So money aside, as a fight fan, and a fan of GGG. Explain to me why Ward isn't the fight you want most.

Beating Cotto/Canelo is a great for his career and it's also a great action packed fight. Golovkin has made it clear what he wants to do with his career, unifying is important to him, and right now he's got unifications lined up 2-3 fights ahead. Why would I worry about him fighting Ward right now when they can meet after Golovkin has accomplished what he wanted with his middleweight reign?

For me to say it's the fight I want the most would be to say I'd want Golovkin to throw away unifying the MW division and letting the winner of Cotto vs Canelo potentially slip away. Who in their right mind would want Ward over that?

I want the two to fight, but I'm in no rush for it, because as a fan I'd like to see Gennady accomplish his own personal goals in boxing first.

[hitking]

Roy dictated when he was going to fight Toney and Roy had pull, he was HBO's golden child from the get go.

I agree Ward/Golovkin would do even bigger than Golovkin/Lemieux, but Ward takes too much of the pie. Ward and yourself are delusional as all hell if you think he has equal leverage in this fight. As I said before, Golovkin is the guy who has to give up the size to make the fight, he's also the guy with other fight options in his weight class, and he's also the guy who draws much better numbers w/o a top class opponent. Hell Golovkin drew better numbers with Monroe, Rubio, and Geale than Ward did in his mega fights with Dawson or Froch. It's no comparison.

If Ward wants this fight, he needs to show it like Hopkins did for Trinidad & Dela Hoya (I don't care Golovkin not as big as them, it's the same principle). Ward needs to tell K2 - "Tell me what you're financial demands are and send me the contract" - then sign it. That's the only way this fight happens, otherwise Ward can go kick rocks because he has zero options below 175.

You don't get it, and likely never will. 75% (amd that's probably low) of GGG's fans are hardcore fight fans. THEY FOLLOW BOXING!!!! They're gonna order any big fight. So unless you pair GGG with a star bigger than himself. You're likely looking in the neighborhood of 300K PPV buys. There's a percentage of the hardcore fan base that's not gonna order fights like Lemieux or Lee or any other middleweight, that would order Ward. Sp saying Ward brings nothing to the table is wrong. He's gonna bring in that percent of the hardcore fan base that GGG can't attract fighting the fighters he's fighting. So yes, Ward will take more than those guys. Because he brings more than those guys.

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin has a PPV coming up. Ward, looking for some dishwasher to fight in oakland.

Its more than clear that GGG is the a side, by a wide margin. I can't imagine GGG getting a fight in an 10,000+ seat arena, and getting less than 5,000 seats filled. Just not gonna happen.

Exactly, he has never even fought on PPV before.

That is like arguing over Mayweather/Pacquiao in a conversation about the hardest punchers of all time.

You can argue that Pacquiao punches harder than Mayweather if you wish..... and you could be correct..... but neither should have been mentioned in that conversation.

Arguing that A-side shht regarding Golovkin/Ward is irrelevant.

Neither are A-side..... so the excuses should just stop.

[hitking]

GGG is on precipice of being a huge star, look around you. Do you think all these comments on anything mentioning GGG and Ward do so because of Ward, dude couldn't sell out a fight in his own state.

GGG is a-side. And he should dictate terms the same way Ward did to Dawson. Ward hasn't realized he has fallen off.

As good as Ward has been, he’s been inside thering far too little to make a GGG fight as big as it needs to be to justify the risk.

Ward is bigger, longer, and holds a lot. That kind of risk you only take if it's worth it.

Ward has only been in the ring once over the last two years. He looked ok against Paul Smith, he wasn't anywhere near a decent fighter. He should have looked great against a fighter of that level.

There are other matchups for Ward at SMW and LHW. George Groves or Fedor Chudinov make sense, as does other LHW.



Hardcore fans don't make a lucrative fight. GGG would be taking a risk fixing the heavier, longer, Ward, and getting little for it. While also passi up on a chance to unify the MW, something whether you admit it or not is a big deal.

Have you not noticed that the most popular GGG threads are Andre Ward related? Why do y'all ignore that. There's demand in the hardcore fight community for that fight. Matter of fact, its the biggest fight that can be made in the hardcore fight community.