Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Ward Should Unify, Stop Obsessing!

[aboutfkntime]

Will be interesting to see what GGG does when one of the following three scenarios unfolds:

1. Close fight between Cotto-Canelo warrants a rematch

2. Winner ignores him and returns to 154

3. Winner demands he fight them at 154-155 for a lopsided split, pillow gloves and a host of other advantages

Good points !

1) who cares what happens to Golovkin, if that fight is close enough to warrant a rematch then we fans will have definitely got our moneys worth from the first fight, and still have one more to come. I guess he will continue to wait.

2) very possible.....

3) which is what I think will happen. I think that Team Golovkin will refuse to give the winner a catchweight, killing the fight. They dont want a difficult fight, they just want the belt

[Eastcoast]

Man I remember about 20yrs ago their was a primed, undefeated middleweight that was whip'n everybody. And a primed, umdefeated super middleweight that what whip'n everybody. Both were relative nobodies in the mainstream. The boxing world salivated. The fighters couldn't wait to get in the ring with each other. They did the deal, got in the ring, and we got us a P4P King that stayed on top for a decade.

Fast forward to today. We got a primed, undefeated middleweight knocking everyone out. We got a primed, undefeated super middleweight that nobody has touched. Both are relative nobodies in the mainstream. The boxing world wants to see it. But you have one nobody pounding his chest claiming he's a more popular nobody than the other nobody. And he has a fanbase that has more excuses than a cat going to jail as to why the fight shouldn't happen.

DAMN I miss the old days. Thanx Roy. Thanx James.

Man you're a revisionist. RJJ waited to take that fight when Toney outgrew the division. Back in the day - RJJ wanted nothing to do with McClellan, Eubank, Benn, Collins, and later Rocchigiani & Michalczewski. Back in the day my ass.

I also remember "60/40 and I kick your ass", yet Hopkins found away not to take the fight...

[robbyheartbaby]

Ward is irrelevant, moving on. Should Cotto or Canelo duck GGG the belt will be vacated and as interim champion, GGG will become full WBC middleweight champion. Then a fight with Lee or Saunders can be made and GGG will be undisputed champion!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Man you're a revisionist. RJJ waited to take that fight when Toney outgrew the division. Back in the day - RJJ wanted nothing to do with McClellan, Eubank, Benn, Collins, and later Rocchigiani & Michalczewski. Back in the day my ass.

I also remember "60/40 and I kick your ass", yet Hopkins found away not to take the fight...

Jones fought James Toney just over a year after beating Hopkins for his first title at middleweight.

How long has GGG been floundering making pointless title defences in the wasteland that is 160 now?

[Eastcoast]

Will be interesting to see what GGG does when one of the following three scenarios unfolds:

1. Close fight between Cotto-Canelo warrants a rematch

2. Winner ignores him and returns to 154

3. Winner demands he fight them at 154-155 for a lopsided split, pillow gloves and a host of other advantages

I'm 100% convinced that Cotto/Canelo do a rematch in May '16. What will happen with Golovkin is he'll fight the Lee/Saunders winner in the UK in front of another 20,000 fans on prime time in Europe where he already makes about a mill per fight, and then he'll fight his IBF mando - Tureano Johnson, maybe in San Antonio in front of another 10k-20k fans or possibly South Korea who's trying to get him to fight there. It's possible those two fights get flip flopped in order, given Lee/Saunders won't happen til mid-December.

After Canelo beats Cotto, he's not looking to make 154lbs, he's outgrown the division and it would hurt him as much as Golovkin. But if it came down to a major money fight, I'm sure Golovkin would goto 154lbs.


Now lets talk about Ward. Stay at SMW and fight scrubs like Perriban, Dunn, Medina? Or go up to LHW and fight Yuneski Gonzalez, Pascal, and Kovalev? My money is that he stays at 168, milks RN for their subsidized payments, and stays bitter & irrelevant. After DeGale/Jack fight, Ward will actually be the #2 SMW in the world.

[hitking]

Jones fought James Toney just over a year after beating Hopkins for his first title at middleweight.

How long has GGG been floundering making pointless title defences in the wasteland that is 160 now?

Right, beat me to it.

Either way, the dip**** totally missed the point. The point was, neither guy was a crossover star. So they made the fight, did their 300K PPV buys, and went on with theur careers.

My main point is that Ward nor GGG is in s position to take on this A-side, bend to my demands nonsense. GGG is more popular among the hardcore fan base. But, the mass majority of his fan base are hardcore fight fans, who are gonna order any big time match-up. So the notion that Ward isn't a draw is irrelevant. Because GGG has no casual fan base to appeal to amyway.

[Eastcoast]

Jones fought James Toney just over a year after beating Hopkins for his first title at middleweight.

How long has GGG been floundering making pointless title defences in the wasteland that is 160 now?

What's your point? The 25 year old Jones was outgrowing the MW division, he had 3 fights at SMW between Hopkins & Tate, his sole MW title fights. Toney in the meantime was known to be struggling with the weight and called Jones out during Jones' trips up to SMW prior to Tate.


As for Golovkin, let's see; Froch didn't want it, Pirog injured, Sturm paid hundreds of thousand not to, N'Dam vacated, Geale vacated, Chavez said no, Kessler said no, and Martinez chose Murray & Cotto over GGG.

Given the rate of increase Golovkin is showing in his ticket sales, I don't think those title defenses were all that meaningless. He's been growing his brand, something guys like Ward and Lara struggle to understand.

[hitking]

What's your point? The 25 year old Jones was outgrowing the MW division, he had 3 fights at SMW between Hopkins & Tate, his sole MW title fights. Toney in the meantime was known to be struggling with the weight and called Jones out during Jones' trips up to SMW prior to Tate.


As for Golovkin, let's see; Froch didn't want it, Pirog injured, Sturm paid hundreds of thousand not to, N'Dam vacated, Geale vacated, Chavez said no, Kessler said no, and Martinez chose Murray & Cotto over GGG.

Given the rate of increase Golovkin is showing in his ticket sales, I don't think those title defenses were all that meaningless. He's been growing his brand, something guys like Ward and Lara struggle to understand.

GGG is a star in within the hardcore fight community homie. When 90%+ of your fan base are hardcore fight fans. Which means the same people that are watching him fight bums are gonna wanna watch him fight Ward, plus some.

[jas]

This promoter chats ****

all the other belt holders wont fight ward

[Eastcoast]

Right, beat me to it.

Either way, the dip**** totally missed the point. The point was, neither guy was a crossover star. So they made the fight, did their 300K PPV buys, and went on with theur careers.

My main point is that Ward nor GGG is in s position to take on this A-side, bend to my demands nonsense. GGG is more popular among the hardcore fan base. But, the mass majority of his fan base are hardcore fight fans, who are gonna order any big time match-up. So the notion that Ward isn't a draw is irrelevant. Because GGG has no casual fan base to appeal to amyway.

You totally avoided anything I brought up, figures. Jones took what he thought was easy money. Toney was at the stage where he couldn't make the weight anymore and so cashed out. Stop revising history to fit your Andre Ward pandering. Jones had no issue avoiding all those other guys in his divisions. And Hopkins had no interest in meeting Jones at the 168 cw for their missed super fight.

And you're as delusional as Ward if you don't see an A-side/B-side to Ward/Golvokin. Even if things were equal in their drawing power, Golovkin is the guy who has to move up to Ward's division - that's called leverage my man, understand it. Golovkin isn't giving up that advantage to Ward without some compesation meaning big pay day. It's the same reason Ward's not jumping up to fight Kovalev until he's a 'filled-out' LHW. But things aren't equal and Golovkin has options and Ward doesn't. So Ward needs to do something other than pout.