Wladimir Klitschko is P4P #1 according to the fair and objective BoxRec computer

[crold1]

Because his competition and his performances against that competition are not anywhere near better than Gonzalez or Pacquiao or Rigondeaux or Kovalev or a host of other fighters. The names and the fights themselves are not worth claiming Wlad is the best fighter in the world.

I mean, are people blatantly ignoring how bad he looked when he wasn't allowed to cheat against Jennings? Or how bad he looked putting in one of the most blatantly illegal performances ever against Povetkin? That man is not p4p #1 worthy.

Yeah, I don't get this push. Great Heavyweight but dominance is no substitute for better opposition. Kovalev easily outrates him for me P4P. He's similarly dominant for the last few years, has quality wins, and he didn't have to get stopped three times to get it. Those losses were a long time ago, but they still happened, and two when he was well into his career and near prime physically. The talent hasn't been the sort at Heavyweight to overlook that in comparisons.

[crold1]

Will there be much of a shake-up in TBR's rankings or will everyone just be moved up a place after Mayweather is removed?

Up a spot. Why shake-up? It's not like we were ignoring everything but Floyd. Same here with the site ratings, though I may not change those too soon. Until Floyd vacates his titles, I don't buy this retirement as anything other than begging for eulogies.

[HanzGruber]

Did freedom abandon his own thread? Lol

[Weltschmerz]

Yeah, I don't get this push. Great Heavyweight but dominance is no substitute for better opposition. Kovalev easily outrates him for me P4P. He's similarly dominant for the last few years, has quality wins, and he didn't have to get stopped three times to get it. Those losses were a long time ago, but they still happened, and two when he was well into his career and near prime physically. The talent hasn't been the sort at Heavyweight to overlook that in comparisons.

Yet not mentally.

[Build That Wall]

Did freedom abandon his own thread? Lol

Freedom got the Hammer.

[Weebler I]

Yeah, I don't get this push. Great Heavyweight but dominance is no substitute for better opposition. Kovalev easily outrates him for me P4P. He's similarly dominant for the last few years, has quality wins, and he didn't have to get stopped three times to get it. Those losses were a long time ago, but they still happened, and two when he was well into his career and near prime physically. The talent hasn't been the sort at Heavyweight to overlook that in comparisons.

This is what I don't get, I would venture that a PFP list is supposed to reflect who is the best in the world today. We look to it not to see who is the best historically but who is the best right now. This should surely be determined by performances over say the last 2-3 years, not what happened 10 years, or even a full 5 years ago. The sport moves fairly quickly.

I understand that you're heavily into the history of the sport but when we as fans look at divisional rankings we're not looking at who won fights 10 years ago. A PFP list is effectively an amalgamation of the elite from the divisional lists so the same "what have you done for me lately?" rules should really apply imo.

[crold1]

Yet not mentally.

That's a fair point. It's also fair to say a less accomplished amateur (Kovalev) didn't need those lessons. For me, on quality wins and quality by my eyes, the two best guys right now are Roman and Kovalev, with Ward right behind them if he gets back to serious activity (I'm assuming he's still what he ever was...even if that's more boring than boring version Wlad because I don't get a sick KO at some point).

[HanzGruber]

Freedom got the Hammer.

Lol just saw. Anyone know why?

[Weebler I]

Up a spot. Why shake-up? It's not like we were ignoring everything but Floyd. Same here with the site ratings, though I may not change those too soon. Until Floyd vacates his titles, I don't buy this retirement as anything other than begging for eulogies.

Agree with all that, although I'd be happy if they held Floyd to his retirement. Don't say it if you don't mean it, lose lineage or whatever if you don't care about it enough not to make false retirements.

[crold1]

This is what I don't get, I would venture that a PFP list is supposed to reflect who is the best in the world today. We look to it not to see who is the best historically but who is the best right now. This should surely be determined by performances over say the last 2-3 years, not what happened 10 years, or even a full 5 years ago. The sport moves fairly quickly.

I understand that you're heavily into the history of the sport but when we as fans look at divisional rankings we don't care who won fights 10 years ago, and a PFP list is effectively an amalgamation of the elite from the divisional lists so the same "what have you done for me lately?" rules should really apply imo.

I like to debate it on occasion and have fun with it. There are NO RULES. It is an amalgam of stuff and people weigh it different. Some folks get really like life or death on it.

That's part of why I like Roman's being embraced more. If he goes on an extended run, he's impossible to ignore and impossible to market. It exposes the marketing of mythological lists and reminds that fights happen in DIVISIONS.

Who's better...Golovkin or Wlad? In the big picture, who gives a ****...they can never fight. Golovkin-Canelo and Wlad-Fury...far more interesting questions.