Who was the most impressive against Andre Berto?

[b00g13man]

Surely it depends what you mean by impressive. If you take your bias away, which will be very hard for you I know, then the most impressive, dominant boxing performance was clearly Floyd's.

You can't even argue it. He basically dominated every single minute of every single round. No one else has done that. Statistically and factually, that is the most impressive performance. Bret wasn't injured like he was against Karass. It wasn't a very close fight and Floyd wasn't knocked down twice like Ortiz and it wasn't a war of attrition like Guerrero. He won the fight easier, clearer and in a significantly more dominant fashion that any other opponent.

If you'd said which was the best win in terms of timing and excitement, then you could argue other people, like Ortiz when Berto was unbeaten, or Karass for stopping Berto.

However, in each of those, which you'd never take into account because they're not Floyd and you just want people to not choose Floyd, the Ortiz fight was very close and an absolute war with both getting knocked down, while the Karass fight was Berto winning easily until he was badly injured and struggled to win with the injury. That's not as impressive in a purely boxing related performance.

However, all you are wanting is for people to not say Floyd so you can feel good. Why don't you just be honest and come out and say 'I hate Floyd. Who agrees that his performance was **** and other people beating Berto was better to watch because I hate the black man Floyd Mayweather?' Why go through this dishonest, roundabout thing when you are simply looking for an indirect, backward way for people to knock Floyd so it can make you feel better about whatever weird agenda you have?

It seems like a lot of effort for something that is 1) wrong, because if you are wanting to know which opponent had the most clear, unquestionable win against Berto it's without any doubt Floyd...but that's not what you want to see written so 2) why don't you just write an honest thread about your hate and ask people to agree with your hate and to join in a big Floyd hate orgy? It's more honest at least.

Pretty much. Well said.

[Chrismart]

Soto
Folded Berto like a deck chair.

[The Hammer]

Surely it depends what you mean by impressive. If you take your bias away, which will be very hard for you I know, then the most impressive, dominant boxing performance was clearly Floyd's.

You're being biased.

[BrometheusBob.]

Surely it depends what you mean by impressive. If you take your bias away, which will be very hard for you I know, then the most impressive, dominant boxing performance was clearly Floyd's.

You can't even argue it. He basically dominated every single minute of every single round. No one else has done that. Statistically and factually, that is the most impressive performance. Bret wasn't injured like he was against Karass. It wasn't a very close fight and Floyd wasn't knocked down twice like Ortiz and it wasn't a war of attrition like Guerrero. He won the fight easier, clearer and in a significantly more dominant fashion that any other opponent.

If you'd said which was the best win in terms of timing and excitement, then you could argue other people, like Ortiz when Berto was unbeaten, or Karass for stopping Berto.

However, in each of those, which you'd never take into account because they're not Floyd and you just want people to not choose Floyd, the Ortiz fight was very close and an absolute war with both getting knocked down, while the Karass fight was Berto winning easily until he was badly injured and struggled to win with the injury. That's not as impressive in a purely boxing related performance.

However, all you are wanting is for people to not say Floyd so you can feel good. Why don't you just be honest and come out and say 'I hate Floyd. Who agrees that his performance was **** and other people beating Berto was better to watch because I hate the black man Floyd Mayweather?' Why go through this dishonest, roundabout thing when you are simply looking for an indirect, backward way for people to knock Floyd so it can make you feel better about whatever weird agenda you have?

It seems like a lot of effort for something that is 1) wrong, because if you are wanting to know which opponent had the most clear, unquestionable win against Berto it's without any doubt Floyd...but that's not what you want to see written so 2) why don't you just write an honest thread about your hate and ask people to agree with your hate and to join in a big Floyd hate orgy? It's more honest at least.

Context always matters. Most dominant and most impressive not the same in my book. Berto isn't the same fighter he was against Ortiz, and Ortiz was supposed to get stream rolled by him. To me, Ortiz was more impressive.

Let me give an example to illustrate what I mean. Which was the most impressive win -
Roy Jones Jr vs Bernard Hopkins 1
Jermain Taylor vs Bernard Hopkins 1 or 2
Sergey Kovalev vs Bernard Hopkins

I'd bet any amount of money that you did not pick Kovalev vs Hopkins, because despite that it was the most dominant it was not the most impressive version of Hopkins. Likewise, Ortiz beat a much better version of Berto.

If anything, your bias for Floyd has skewed your ability to assess the quality of Berto going into this fight over the one that went into other fights. Floyd beat him decisively, but that doesn't always make the most impressive performance.

[ea22]

In what world is a stoppage victory less than a decision? Yes Floyd didn't take a lot of damage in the fight but he also didn't damage Berto as much as the others did.

[daggum]

floyd fought a shot berto who had been bashed around over and over by C level guys like ortiz, guerrero, and karass and he clinched him nonstop.

[hhs661]

More exciting? Ortiz, JSK, Ghost, Floyd

More impressive: Floyd, Ortiz, Ghost, JSK

[Mr. Philadel]

Surely it depends what you mean by impressive. If you take your bias away, which will be very hard for you I know, then the most impressive, dominant boxing performance was clearly Floyd's.

You can't even argue it. He basically dominated every single minute of every single round. No one else has done that. Statistically and factually, that is the most impressive performance. Bret wasn't injured like he was against Karass. It wasn't a very close fight and Floyd wasn't knocked down twice like Ortiz and it wasn't a war of attrition like Guerrero. He won the fight easier, clearer and in a significantly more dominant fashion that any other opponent.

If you'd said which was the best win in terms of timing and excitement, then you could argue other people, like Ortiz when Berto was unbeaten, or Karass for stopping Berto.

However, in each of those, which you'd never take into account because they're not Floyd and you just want people to not choose Floyd, the Ortiz fight was very close and an absolute war with both getting knocked down, while the Karass fight was Berto winning easily until he was badly injured and struggled to win with the injury. That's not as impressive in a purely boxing related performance.

However, all you are wanting is for people to not say Floyd so you can feel good. Why don't you just be honest and come out and say 'I hate Floyd. Who agrees that his performance was **** and other people beating Berto was better to watch because I hate the black man Floyd Mayweather?' Why go through this dishonest, roundabout thing when you are simply looking for an indirect, backward way for people to knock Floyd so it can make you feel better about whatever weird agenda you have?

It seems like a lot of effort for something that is 1) wrong, because if you are wanting to know which opponent had the most clear, unquestionable win against Berto it's without any doubt Floyd...but that's not what you want to see written so 2) why don't you just write an honest thread about your hate and ask people to agree with your hate and to join in a big Floyd hate orgy? It's more honest at least.

this is that ETHER...the **** that make your soul burn slow!!!...good post!!

[daggum]

More exciting? Ortiz, JSK, Ghost, Floyd

More impressive: Floyd, Ortiz, Ghost, JSK

really? you find it more impressive to clinch an overmatched opponent nonstop? sorry that's not boxing dude and don't pretend like it is. now that floyd is gone its time to take back real boxing because fans have been conditioned to accept cheating as "boxing" now that floyd is gone, ward is basically gone, and wlad will be gone soon so things are looking up. once real boxing is established and people realize what they had been missing the cheating tactics won't be tolerated or seen as "impressive"

[hhs661]

really? you find it more impressive to clinch an overmatched opponent nonstop? sorry that's not boxing dude and don't pretend like it is. now that floyd is gone its time to take back real boxing because fans have been conditioned to accept cheating as "boxing" now that floyd is gone, ward is basically gone, and wlad will be gone soon so things are looking up. once real boxing is established and people realize what they had been missing the cheating tactics won't be tolerated or seen as "impressive"

really really