Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: NSAC Must Punish Mayweather For IV Use!

[doom_specialist]

They have a full page on this particular "method". There's nothing ambiguous here:

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibited-or-dangerous-for-athletes-using-iv-infusions-for-re-hydration-and-recovery/

They bolded it for emphasis. What's unclear? If they meant "prior or retroactive", they would have stated that, cause it's a pretty big difference. They also reject the practice on medical grounds.

"b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection;

Nothing you say will change that. No language anywhere on the policy page says "prior or retroactive." Who would include a special circumstance in their normal literature? You're nitpicking because your argument is balls. The policy outlines when retroactive TUEs are granted (prior notification and future approval), and Mayweather's situation fits it.

I'd rather you just say Mayweather is a cheater with no merit, than to look ****** by acting like you're blind to a rule that's staring you in the face. I'm not gonna go in this circle anymore. "But they bolded it so it has more power than a rule that clearly supercedes it herp derp."

[HeroBando]

"b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection;

Nothing you say will change that. No language anywhere on the policy page says "prior or retroactive." Who would include a special circumstance in their normal literature? You're nitpicking because your argument is balls. The policy outlines when retroactive TUEs are allowed, and Mayweather's situation fits it.

I'd rather you just say Mayweather is a cheater with no merit, than to look ****** by acting like you're blind to a rule that's staring you in the face. I'm not gonna go in this circle anymore. "But they bolded it so it has more power than a rule that clearly supercedes it herp derp."

Lol you're a joke. From the same article I quoted:

Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes.

Floyd didn't meet any of these. Keep defending the indefensible.

[doom_specialist]

Lol you're a joke. From the same article I quoted:



Floyd didn't meet any of these. Keep defending the indefensible.

Floyd met the criteria for subsection B when granting retroactive TUEs. Keep using that page instead of the actual rules.

[HeroBando]

Floyd met the criteria for subsection B when granting retroactive TUEs. Keep using that page instead of the actual rules.

This page is to clarify their policy on the exact procedure performed, and you finally fcuking concede they did not comply with it. Took a while, damn. Now that we're done with that, you might as well give up cause this doesn't pass anyone's smell test. USADA's either, but they're on Floyd's payroll.

[doom_specialist]

This page is to clarify their policy on the exact procedure performed, and you finally fcuking concede they did not comply with it. Took a while, damn. Now that we're done with that, you might as well give up cause this doesn't pass anyone's smell test. USADA's either, but they're on Floyd's payroll.

For the last time: Mayweather had less than 24 hours to apply for a TUE, and have it be considered and granted by the TUEC. He notified USADA that he was going to be administered an IV, and USADA approved it (due to it falling under subsection B criteria). He then later applied and received the TUE retroactively (again, due to time constraints, subsection B).

The page you continuously post does not supercede their normal rules, no matter how much you want it to. TUE policy is plain as day. "But the page clarifies" and "they bolded it" will not take precedence over a policy that is set in stone. "Normal TUE policy" is the only policy that matters. Whenever they grant a TUE, normally or retroactively, that's the policy that will use, period.

http://www.usada.org/usada-statement-inaccurate-news-reports-pro-boxing/

USADA says they nor Mayweather broke any rules under the WADA or NSAC rules, but you will continuously point to their own rules as if you can interpret them better than the people who write and govern them. When you realize that you can't, it's the normal "Floyd is paying them." Derp. Goodbye.

[HeroBando]

For the last time: Mayweather had less than 24 hours to apply for a TUE, and have it be considered and granted by the TUEC. He notified USADA that he was going to be administered an IV, and USADA approved it (due to it falling under subsection B criteria). He then later applied and received the TUE retroactively (again, due to time constraints, subsection B).

The page you continuously post does not supercede their normal rules, no matter how much you want it to. TUE policy is plain as day. "But the page clarifies" and "they bolded it" will not take precedence over a policy that is set in stone. "Normal TUE policy" is the only policy that matters. Whenever they grant a TUE, normally or retroactively, that's the policy that will use, period.

http://www.usada.org/usada-statement-inaccurate-news-reports-pro-boxing/

USADA says they nor Mayweather broke any rules under the WADA or NSAC rules, but you will continuously point to their own rules as if you can interpret them better than the people who write and govern them. When you realize that you can't, it's the normal "Floyd is paying them." Derp. Goodbye.

Wow amazing, who'd expect a denial of noncompliance or worse? They're not my rules, I didn't put up that page. What it makes clear is that a retroactive TUE is not even applicable for "recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons", so forget your subsection B, true believer. It takes "medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes". So far no evidence of any of this, as you'd expect cause that 20m trip to the hospital was overkill lol.

[Phenom]

Wow amazing, who'd expect a denial of noncompliance or worse? They're not my rules, I didn't put up that page. What it makes clear is that a retroactive TUE is not even applicable for "recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons", so forget your subsection B, true believer. It takes "medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes". So far no evidence of any of this, as you'd expect cause that 20m trip to the hospital was overkill lol.

You know that is not NSAC rules right

[HeroBando]

You know that is not NSAC rules right

Unfortunately they were under an USADA testing regime, and this org hired by Floyd brazenly broke their protocol around a last minute injection of a substance guys like Armstrong regularly used to pass tests. It's comical, but just what you'd expect from a POS like Floyd.

[doom_specialist]

Wow amazing, who'd expect a denial of noncompliance or worse? They're not my rules, I didn't put up that page. What it makes clear is that a retroactive TUE is not even applicable for "recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons", so forget your subsection B, true believer. It takes "medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes". So far no evidence of any of this, as you'd expect cause that 20m trip to the hospital was overkill lol.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_medical_info_iv_infusions_4.0_en.pdf

"If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital
admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted
for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is
infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3)."

I downloaded WADA's (the people who's code USADA has to follow) International Standard for TUE and also found:

4.4.5 If an Anti-Doping Organization chooses to collect a Sample from a
Person who is not an International-Level or National-Level Athlete, and that
Person is Using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic
reasons, the Anti-Doping Organization may permit him or her to apply for a
retroactive TUE.

But you're gonna just keep trying lol. The language is clear cut. WADA has had nearly 3 months to reject and reverse the retroactive TUE if there was an issue with it. Guess Mayweather is paying them too lolz

[Phenom]

Unfortunately they were under an USADA testing regime, and this org hired by Floyd brazenly broke their protocol around a last minute injection of a substance guys like Armstrong regularly used to pass tests. It's comical, but just what you'd expect from a POS like Floyd.

So Floyd broke no rules according to the Nevada state athletic commission guidelines do you agree?