Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: NSAC Must Punish Mayweather For IV Use!

[doom_specialist]

You're now embarrassing yourself lol. Him administering an illegal dose would cause a clinical time constraint?!

Applying for, and having the TUEC consider and approve a TUE would cause a clinical time constraint, since Mayweather noted medical problem was dehydration. You're embarrassing yourself lol.

[FloydvsPac]

Again, even if they had a slam dunk case, it's not really worth pursuing unless there is clear financial gain. Litigation is business period. Hauser particularly offers absolutely NO financial gain. Not even potentially. And you bring up attorney fees. Attorney fees is just part of it. The other part is financial gain from the other party. Can they take something significant from them financially? Hauser has nothing.

Mayweather again, already has a bad boy persona. It's only USADA that may have something to gain, and that gain would only be received YEARS after the fact. Years after Mayweather is potentially no longer even fighting. Hauser is already on the black list with PBC, Haymon, etc. That's the only real thing you can do to hurt them, by trying to hurt their access to boxing events. There is no real way from stopping freelance writers who make less than $30K or $40K per year from writing reckless articles.

Your "financial gain" motive does not apply. Too many cases, where the motive to litigate isn't financial gain. A great example, Lance Armstrong litigated individuals that were not rich and ruined them because at the time there was no evidence that he was a cheat. He did it strictly to protect his reputation. They weren't even "reckless" writers. Just witnesses when he admitted to taking PED's to his cancer doctors. Back then, he had a case. If Floyd & USADA have a libel case, they could do the same. But, it appears they don't. So the cost-benefit of litigation weighs against them.

[HeroBando]

Applying for, and having the TUEC consider and approve a TUE would cause a clinical time constraint, since Mayweather noted medical problem was dehydration. You're embarrassing yourself lol.

I understand what you were fumbling to say. It would have to be severe dehydration to create a "clinical time constraint". These would normally result in a hospital visit. Dark urine, that won't do. It's laughable someone would even request a retroactive TUE for home administered masking agent over dark urine lol. Even zanier it gets granted, but then you remember these guys are on Floyd's payroll.

[doom_specialist]

I understand what you were fumbling to say. It would have to be severe dehydration to create a "clinical time constraint". These would normally result in a hospital visit. Dark urine, that won't do. It's laughable someone would even request a retroactive TUE for home administered masking agent over dark urine lol. Even zanier it gets granted, but then you remember these guys are on Floyd's payroll.

Even though USADA clearly shows that he filed the TUE to stay in compliance with WADA's rules on fluid amounts allowed during injections (which needed a retroactive TUE because he had less than 24 hours to have a TUE approved to be injected with over 50 mL of fluid), you're still stuck on him having it done at home, even though there's not one rule that states that the IV has to be done in a hospital setting. You're so bent on Floyd following the rules, but when it comes to the particular rule that seems to not exist, you're content to just take Bennett's word for it. Even if it did exist, the NSAC has already said they're not going to take action, so that point is moot. Spin away.

[Spoon23]

Even though USADA clearly shows that he filed the TUE to stay in compliance with WADA's rules on fluid amounts allowed during injections (which needed a retroactive TUE because he had less than 24 hours to have a TUE approved to be injected with over 50 mL of fluid), you're still stuck on him having it done at home, even though there's not one rule that states that the IV has to be done in a hospital setting. You're so bent on Floyd following the rules, but when it comes to the particular rule that seems to not exist, you're content to just take Bennett's word for it. Even if it did exist, the NSAC has already said they're not going to take action, so that point is moot. Spin away.

FYI, USADA is under Wada protocols.

here is WADA'S rules. Enjoy

More specifically, the 2015 WADA Prohibited Substances and Methods List states, Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.


BIG question. Is Floyd in the hospital when he administered 750ml of IVs?

ANSWER: NOPE.

The protocol is no injections unless it's under 50ml every 6 hours or for emergency. Floyd took 750 ml at once the night before the fight in his house.

RED FLAG

GAME OVER

[HeroBando]

Even though USADA clearly shows that he filed the TUE to stay in compliance with WADA's rules on fluid amounts allowed during injections (which needed a retroactive TUE because he had less than 24 hours to have a TUE approved to be injected with over 50 mL of fluid), you're still stuck on him having it done at home, even though there's not one rule that states that the IV has to be done in a hospital setting. You're so bent on Floyd following the rules, but when it comes to the particular rule that seems to not exist, you're content to just take Bennett's word for it. Even if it did exist, the NSAC has already said they're not going to take action, so that point is moot. Spin away.

As you said, money fixes a lot of problems. Him filing a TUE is not sufficient grounds lol, you keep saying this nonsense. A "clinical time constraint" is not applicable to this dude, who the fcuk are you trying to kid? Nothing out of the ordinary lol, take it from Team Mayweather:

“You know my urine was dark, extremely dark, darker than normal. That could be from overworking, extremely dark,” Mayweather said. Advisor and Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe then chimed in.

“A lot of times what happens is that when you work, you become dehydrated. It’s not that you’re struggling to make weight, it’s that he pushes so hard. And you gotta remember he’s going down through the drug testing – so he’s working out, having to give blood taken, give urine and do all this, and also with preparing for a fight. So it’s nothing out of the ordinary.”

[doom_specialist]

FYI, USADA is under Wada protocols.

here is WADA'S rules. Enjoy

More specifically, the 2015 WADA Prohibited Substances and Methods List states, Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.


BIG question. Is Floyd in the hospital when he administered 750ml of IVs?

ANSWER: NOPE.

The protocol is no injections unless it's under 50ml every 6 hours or for emergency or clinical time constraints *fixed it for you*. Floyd took 750 ml at once the night before the fight in his house.

RED FLAG

GAME OVER

*Sigh* We've already been over this.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf

"If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital
admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted
for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is
infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3)."

From WADA's (the people who's code USADA has to follow as you've so kindly pointed out) International Standard for TUE:

4.4.5 If an Anti-Doping Organization chooses to collect a Sample from a
Person who is not an International-Level or National-Level Athlete, and that
Person is Using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic
reasons, the Anti-Doping Organization may permit him or her to apply for a
retroactive TUE.

I seriously can't do this anymore. All of the rules are there in plain sight, and you're trying to make them something that they are not. I'm not trying to kid anyone. I'm just posting rules that make it quite obvious that Mayweather has done nothing wrong.

Having more than 50 mL per 6 hours injected is prohibited, and requires a TUE. In the event that time will not allow proper application filing and consideration of said application, a retroactive TUE is permissible as per WADA rules.

The saddest thing is that you're mad that Floyd broke an NSAC rule by having the IV at home (a rule that I haven't even found to exist), but you're attacking USADA for it. Be blind if you like. I'm outta here.

[Spoon23]

*Sigh* We've already been over this.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf

"If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital
admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted
for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is
infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3)."

From WADA's (the people who's code USADA has to follow as you've so kindly pointed out) International Standard for TUE:

4.4.5 If an Anti-Doping Organization chooses to collect a Sample from a
Person who is not an International-Level or National-Level Athlete, and that
Person is Using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic
reasons, the Anti-Doping Organization may permit him or her to apply for a
retroactive TUE.

I seriously can't do this anymore. All of the rules are there in plain sight, and you're trying to make them something that they are not. I'm not trying to kid anyone. I'm just posting rules that make it quite obvious that Mayweather has done nothing wrong.

Having more than 50 mL per 6 hours injected is prohibited, and requires a TUE. In the event that time will not allow proper application filing and consideration of said application, a retroactive TUE is permissible as per WADA rules.

Be blind if you like. I'm outta here.

Floyd must be dying to get that preferential exemption treatment aye. Yup you fixed it.

The hospital is so far from his house and that he really was so sick.

and 750ml is nothing tsk tsk tsk tsk..

It's over man. Deal with it.

[doom_specialist]

Floyd must be dying to get that preferential exemption treatment aye. Yup you fixed it.

The hospital is so far from his house and that he really was so sick.

and 750ml is nothing tsk tsk tsk tsk..

It's over man. Deal with it.

Floyd broke no rules. He notified USADA of his intentions, was granted a retroactive TUE, and WADA for nearly 3 months hasn't opposed the TUE, and the NSAC isn't opposing it either. Looking pretty "over" from here indeed.

[!! Shawn]

Floyd must be dying to get that preferential exemption treatment aye. Yup you fixed it.

The hospital is so far from his house and that he really was so sick.

and 750ml is nothing tsk tsk tsk tsk..

It's over man. Deal with it.

Thats what people are willfully glossing over.

They are like LOOK LOOK IT SAYS YOU CAN GET A TUE!!! SEE HE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!! SEEEEE.

Then they ignore the part that follows where it says you can only get a TUE if it is administered as part of surgery, emergency medical care, or inpatient care...

They treat it like, all you have to do is file some paperwork, and you can do it.

No... its prohibited under all circumstances, except those involving medical treatment for the athletes safety.

He should not have been granted the TUE.