Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: NSAC Must Punish Mayweather For IV Use!

[SplitSecond]

[hectari]

Not to mention the toradol shot pacquiao requested is legal under usada guidelines. Their excuse was the request was not filed within sufficient time...but mayweather gets a retroactive exemption (meaning after the event has already taken place) for the****utic use. How is this getting lost on people?

Its fishy because USADA was supposed to tell NSAC about Pacs injury which was 3 weeks before but didn't, USADA is very incompetent or they did it on purpose so he couldn't get his shot?

Its very strange but the part where they caught Floyd with the IV and never said jack, the duty of these testing agency is to enforce the rules and to report to the NSAC on cheaters, and using an illegal iv is cheating its the principle and rule people don't get that they keep saying its just vitamin c and saline but USADA didn't even confiscate the iv bags and took Floyds word for it and granted him the TUE lol shady as ***.

I remember when I watched the fight and after I said dam Floyd looked fast as lighting compared to his last fights, a lot of people familiar with peds think he could have possibly taken adderall which makes you alert, and your reaction time quicker, and used the IV to mask it its very fishy because he was doing this when he wasn't dehydrated and did it the night before the fight and before getting tested, and the USADA let him basically use the IV before getting tested which would allow him to cover any ped basically, he probably wasn't taking testosterone but maybe some other PED to help him with speed and focus if anything.

The entire situation is shady and raises a huge red flag, he did break the rules though, but judging from the commissioners remarks he is not going to punish Floyd and is just showing anger toward USADA, so Floyd will get another pass as usual.

[FloydvsPac]

They will gain publicity for their cause? Are you kidding me? That publicity will be very small! Nothing is juicy about that story. You have to be really naive if you think they'd gain a lot of publicity over that.

It's not that USADA and Mayweather are too noble to sue. It just makes little business sense. You don't seem to grasp that litigation is not about moral victories. It's about business. There is little to gain financial by going after small potatoes. There is only more to lose! Litigation is not charity, it is business.

Fact remains, way more people know about the upcoming fight than without the coverage. That is Marketing 101. It is FREE press. You don't understand the legendary adage that all press is good press!

IF Hauser and SB Nation are truly committing libel, then they obviously have a case and should sue. Not suing would be a bad business decision. Business is about image and reputation and that disparaging article received worldwide attention and the media isn't defending Floyd nor USADA. Libel is serious in the business world. My point all along is they most likely don't have a case, so they won't elect to sue. Saving attorney fees would be their only silver lining.

No one's arguing about the extra publicity for Mayweather-Berto. That's a side effect. But your insistence on the controversy being great for Mayweather-Berto and not worth the attorney fees is very disingenuous. Floyd's reputation as a clean fighter is in question and USADA's credibility has taken a serious hit. PR statements defending themselves is weak. So Not electing to sue is really an admission of defeat.

[radioraheem]

IF Hauser and SB Nation are truly committing libel, then they obviously have a case and should sue. Not suing would be a bad business decision. Business is about image and reputation and that disparaging article received worldwide attention and the media isn't defending Floyd nor USADA. Libel is serious in the business world. My point all along is they most likely don't have a case, so they won't elect to sue. Saving attorney fees would be their only silver lining.

No one's arguing about the extra publicity for Mayweather-Berto. That's a side effect. But your insistence on the controversy being great for Mayweather-Berto and not worth the attorney fees is very disingenuous. Floyd's reputation as a clean fighter is in question and USADA's credibility has taken a serious hit.

Again, you don't file lawsuits unless there is something to gain financially. Litigation is business. Mayweather has the reputation of a bad boy. This only adds fuel to his already bad-boy persona. It actually fits his agenda. USADA could also sue, and maybe they will, but it's unlikely. Litigation is business and it's time consuming. Even if they won, the case won't be decided until years later unless it's settled out of court. Attorney fees is expensive and is only justified if the other side has something which they can take/gain.

[FloydvsPac]

Again, you don't file lawsuits unless there is something to gain financially. Litigation is business. Mayweather has the reputation of a bad boy. This only adds fuel to his already bad-boy persona. It actually fits his agenda. USADA could also sue, and maybe they will, but it's unlikely. Litigation is business and it's time consuming. Even if they won, the case won't be decided until years later unless it's settled out of court. Attorney fees is expensive and is only justified if the other side has something which they can take/gain.

Like I said all along, odds are they won't take legal action. But saving attorney fees is not the primary reason. It's that they most likely have no case at all and that Hauser & SB Nation did not commit libel.

Hauser and SB Nation hit them hard and both Floyd & USADA came back with a light counter. Maybe their real retaliation will come in the form of Al Haymon down the line and it won't be through the court system. Hauser and SB could now be on his **** list, if they weren't already.

[doom_specialist]

It requires prior approval for IV rehydration, they fcuking bolded for you dude. And they give you a long explanation why, cause this is used to cheat drug tests, and there's safer, more effective treatments for the stated condition.

Dude its obvious to everyone what's going on, no obfuscation will remove the stigma of being a PED cheat. He's already been convicted in the court of public opinion

Any use of a banned substance or practice requires a prior TUE, not just IV hydration. Them having a special page for it doesn't make it more important than other banned practices. The policy page outlines this clearly. Now, UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, A TUE MAY NEED TO BE GRANTED RETROACTIVELY AS PER THE RULES THEY HAVE MADE VERY CLEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT I'VE POSTED TWICE. How can you plainly read USADA's TUE policy and then repeat that garbage? They follow the same procedure for all TUEs. No amount of you saying "prior TUE" will change how they handle their own policies, the same way "15X the legal amount" doesn't change that he got a TUE for that as well. He didn't have enough time to have one be considered and approved, he notified them, they OK'd it, and he got a retroactive TUE following their rules, period.

Speculate all you like, but Mayweather didn't break a single rule, unless Bennett's requirement a hospital setting for an IV administration is listed somewhere outside of NAC Chapter 467 (which is not a USADA issue). He's been convicted in the court of public opinion because shady journalism, and the fact that a less than clear cut explanation of USADA and NSAC rules have been thrown out to garner attention.

[HeroBando]

Any use of a banned substance or practice requires a prior TUE, not just IV hydration. Them having a special page for it doesn't make it more important that other banned practices. The policy page outlines this clearly. now, UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, A TUE MAY NEED TO BE GRANTED RETROACTIVELY AS PER THE RULES THEY HAVE MADE VERY CLEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT I'VE POSTED TWICE. How can you plainly read USADA's TUE policy and then repeat that garbage? They follow the same procedure for all TUEs. No amount of you saying "prior TUE" will change how they handle their own policies, the same way "15X the legal amount" doesn't change that he got a TUE for that as well. He didn't have enough time to have one be considered and approved, he notified them, they OK'd it, and he got a retroactive TUE following their rules, period.

Speculate all you like, but Mayweather didn't break a single rule, unless Bennett's requirement a hospital setting for an IV administration is listed somewhere outside of NAC Chapter 467.

They have a full page on this particular "method". There's nothing ambiguous here:

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibite...-and-recovery/

Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. Further, it must be clearly stated that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild rehydration or help speed recovery is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific opinion to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice. Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes."

They bolded it for emphasis. What's unclear? If they meant "prior or retroactive", they would have stated that, cause it's a pretty big difference. They also reject the practice on medical grounds.

[!! Shawn]

Its fishy because USADA was supposed to tell NSAC about Pacs injury which was 3 weeks before but didn't, USADA is very incompetent or they did it on purpose so he couldn't get his shot?

Its very strange but the part where they caught Floyd with the IV and never said jack, the duty of these testing agency is to enforce the rules and to report to the NSAC on cheaters, and using an illegal iv is cheating its the principle and rule people don't get that they keep saying its just vitamin c and saline but USADA didn't even confiscate the iv bags and took Floyds word for it and granted him the TUE lol shady as ***.

I remember when I watched the fight and after I said dam Floyd looked fast as lighting compared to his last fights, a lot of people familiar with peds think he could have possibly taken adderall which makes you alert, and your reaction time quicker, and used the IV to mask it its very fishy because he was doing this when he wasn't dehydrated and did it the night before the fight and before getting tested, and the USADA let him basically use the IV before getting tested which would allow him to cover any ped basically, he probably wasn't taking testosterone but maybe some other PED to help him with speed and focus if anything.

The entire situation is shady and raises a huge red flag, he did break the rules though, but judging from the commissioners remarks he is not going to punish Floyd and is just showing anger toward USADA, so Floyd will get another pass as usual.

I dont know much about the circumstances of Pacquiao's being denied the injection.

But if it was on USADA to inform the NSAC, and USADA were informed, and Pacquiao was denied the injection.

AND Floyd was granted a retroactive TUE for an illegal procedure.

Things start to look VERY fishy, to the point where its not just Floyd that looks dirty, but maybe there needs to be an investigation into USADA, because it would start to look like collusion.

[radioraheem]

Like I said all along, odds are they won't take legal action. But saving attorney fees is not the primary reason. It's that they most likely have no case at all and that Hauser & SB Nation did not commit libel.

Hauser and SB Nation hit them hard and both Floyd & USADA came back with a light counter. Maybe their real retaliation will come in the form of Al Haymon down the line and it won't be through the court system. Hauser and SB could now be on his **** list, if they weren't already.

Again, even if they had a slam dunk case, it's not really worth pursuing unless there is clear financial gain. Litigation is business period. Hauser particularly offers absolutely NO financial gain. Not even potentially. And you bring up attorney fees. Attorney fees is just part of it. The other part is financial gain from the other party. Can they take something significant from them financially? Hauser has nothing.

Mayweather again, already has a bad boy persona. It's only USADA that may have something to gain, and that gain would only be received YEARS after the fact. Years after Mayweather is potentially no longer even fighting. Hauser is already on the black list with PBC, Haymon, etc. That's the only real thing you can do to hurt them, by trying to hurt their access to boxing events. There is no real way from stopping freelance writers who make less than $30K or $40K per year from writing reckless articles.

[radioraheem]

I dont know much about the circumstances of Pacquiao's being denied the injection.

But if it was on USADA to inform the NSAC, and USADA were informed, and Pacquiao was denied the injection.

AND Floyd was granted a retroactive TUE for an illegal procedure.

Things start to look VERY fishy, to the point where its not just Floyd that looks dirty, but maybe there needs to be an investigation into USADA, because it would start to look like collusion.

NSAC says it was not upon USADA to let them know, that it was upon Team Pacquaio and/or Top Rank. And NSAC stated that they knew this. Whereas in Floyd's case, USADA had the power to grant TUEs. But it doesn't seem that USADA was aware beforehand that Nevada doesn't like that. That the way NSAC works, they want to be the ultimate decider of who gets permission. Similarly, USADA gave Pacquiao permission for the Todoral. But NSAC also needed to be notified and give that permission.

It's kinda messy, and leads to the point that maybe NSAC needs to take over all random drug testing. Especially since there's various things that they want to be the judge/decider of. They already have a program in place anyway, so they might as well take it over.