Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: NSAC Must Punish Mayweather For IV Use!

[doom_specialist]

That may be their general TUE policy, but apparently for IV rehydration its more stringent, since its a widely used masking agent. Heck they have a full page dedicated to it, they bolded the need for prior TUE, and dispute its medical value

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibite...-and-recovery/

From the link you posted:

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibite...-and-recovery/

IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL per 6-hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition unless the athlete has applied for and been granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) under the applicable anti-doping rules.

So he got a retroactive TUE (after USADA approved the IV) because of time constraints. One more time, TUE policy:

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Still nothing to talk about, as Mayweather's situation clearly falls under B. At this point you're grasping at straws. I'm kinda over this lol

[b00g13man]

From the link you posted:

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibite...-and-recovery/

IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL per 6-hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition unless the athlete has applied for and been granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) under the applicable anti-doping rules.

So he got a retroactive TUE (after USADA approved the IV) because of time constraints. One more time, TUE policy:

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Still nothing to talk about, as Mayweather's situation clearly falls under B. At this point you're grasping at straws. I'm kinda over this lol

Facts don't matter when you've got an agenda. The only thing that's still fuzzy to me at this point is whether or not any NSAC rules were broken.

From what I've seen, they were notified in May, so I don't quite understand what Bob is "upset" about.

[doom_specialist]

Facts don't matter when you've got an agenda. The only thing that's still fuzzy to me at this point is whether or not any NSAC rules were broken.

From what I've seen, they were notified in May, so I don't quite understand what Bob is "upset" about.

Floyd clearly broke NSAC rules, because having an IV administered at home requires an NSAC TUE, not USADA TUE. That's done.

Bennett has already sided when Floyd though, so he most likely won't face any recourse for something so small. He said he doesn't think he's ever granted a TUE for a home IV, which I translated to "get off your lazy ass and go have it done at a hospital" lol

[lfc19titles]

Are floyd fans seriously defending him using 750ml of this stuff when 50 should only be used in a dire situation ?

Especially when they know he was caught using it and only applied for his excuse because he was caught and that it is used to mask ped results?

These floyd fans are a cancer

Rood weathers gym should also be banned so many cheats in it including him who've been caught red handed

His legacy is tarnished, so many of these black fighters cheat. I'm calling it as it is

No wonder floyd accused pax because he was paranoid of himself roiding and tried to deflect attention and knee he could cover it up after buying usada

No wonder roid Armstrong jnr refused to show his results in court when pac asked for them

[b00g13man]

Floyd clearly broke NSAC rules, because having an IV administered at home requires an NSAC TUE, not USADA TUE. That's done.

Bennett has already sided when Floyd though, so he most likely won't face any recourse for something so small. He said he doesn't think he's ever granted a TUE for a home IV, which I translated to "get off your lazy ass and go have it done at a hospital" lol

Right. Is all this according to Bob, or is there a link available with their rules? USADA didn't seem to think it was prohibited.

[doom_specialist]

Right. Is all this according to Bob, or is there a link available with their rules? USADA didn't seem to think it was prohibited.

Good catch. Their rules actually don't mention needing the IV done at a hospital at all, at least not from what I saw.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html

It's all under NAC 467.850

Requiring a hospital is all Bennett, but since he's the executive director, I don't know. Maybe it's a new(er) rule? The revision date is 02/12 though. Bit of a head scratcher :/

[b00g13man]

Good catch. Their rules actually don't mention needing the IV done at a hospital at all, at least not from what I saw.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html

It's all under NAC 467.850

Requiring a hospital is all Bennett, but since he's the executive director, I don't know. Maybe it's a new(er) rule? The revision date is 02/12 though. Bit of a head scratcher :/

Thanks for this. The whole thing is a bit of a mess mainly because you've got multiple organisations involved. It doesn't help when you've got shoddy "journalists" spreading misinformation.

[doom_specialist]

Thanks for this. The whole thing is a bit of a mess mainly because you've got multiple organisations involved. It doesn't help when you've got shoddy "journalists" spreading misinformation.

People want Mayweather to lose, and they'll take it any way they can get it. Because he has such a crappy public image, "journalists" can cash in on stuff like this, because people that hate him will run with it, as seen by this thread lol

I agree that the mess comes from multiple organizations having different rulesets though. The NSAC needs to clarify their rules, because from what I can tell, Mayweather hasn't done anything wrong. He followed USADA rules to the letter, and apparently did the same with the NSAC's as well, Bennett's mystery rule notwithstanding. Assuming that the rule Bennett pointed out is in place (don't see why he would lie about that), he'll get a fine from the NSAC or some other slap on the wrist, as Bennett doesn't believe at all that Mayweather was attempting to cheat.

[b00g13man]

People want Mayweather to lose, and they'll take it any way they can get it. Because he has such a crappy public image, "journalists" can cash in on stuff like this, because people that hate him will run with it, as seen by this thread lol

I agree that the mess comes from multiple organizations having different rulesets though. The NSAC needs to clarify their rules, because from what I can tell, Mayweather hasn't done anything wrong. He followed USADA rules to the letter, and apparently did the same with the NSAC's as well, Bennett's mystery rule notwithstanding. Assuming that the rule Bennett pointed out is in place (don't see why he would lie about that), he'll get a fine from the NSAC or some other slap on the wrist, as Bennett doesn't believe at all that Mayweather was attempting to cheat.

Truthfully, the NSAC don't strike me as competent enough to know their own rules. I also recall seeing somewhere that they already approved it after they were notified.

[Spoon23]

http://boxingtribune-news.com/posts/...candal-proves-

the-deck-was-stacked-against-manny-pacquiao-in-mega-fight--mayweather-iv-scandal-proves-it.html


By Dennis Cruz

Recent revelations are giving us a clear picture of the type of uneven playing field Manny Pacquiao faced when he met Floyd Mayweather last May 2 in the biggest money fight of all-time.

A report by veteran boxing writer Thomas Hauser alleges that Mayweather was discovered receiving a prohibited intravenous procedure in his home after the May 1 weigh-in and that he was given a medical exemption for the procedure by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) almost three weeks after the bout. Pacquiao and his team were also only notified about three weeks after the fight that Mayweather had undergone the IV treatment.

Now, while there’s the possibility that the IV treatment could’ve been used to mask or dilute a banned substance in Mayweather’s body, there’s also the possibility that the two intravenous mixes of saline and vitamins were just there to help the fighter rehydrate. But the real troubling aspect of this whole mess is that it shows how hostile the atmosphere was for Manny Pacquiao. It’s clear that the Filipino icon was put at every possible disadvantage while Mayweather did as he pleased, when he pleased, with complete and total impunity.

While USADA tripped all over themselves to accommodate Mayweather’s borderline illicit intravenous practices—after the fact—the same agency nixed Pacquiao’s request for a pain-killing injection of Toradol for his ailing shoulder prior to the bout, citing paper work issues and a lack of time to properly investigate the requested drug. One wonders what would’ve happened had Pacquiao taken the shot without asking permission and whether the agency would’ve been as accommodating of after-the-fact medical exemptions when the request was coming from Pacquiao.

Information in Hauser’s article shows us just how stacked the deck was against Pacquiao when it came to the overall testing protocol—allowing Mayweather loopholes and possibilities to game the system at will.

From drug testing to all the minor details of the fight, Pacquiao was working at an extreme disadvantage throughout the entire ordeal. Add an injured shoulder to the mix and one has to marvel at how close Pacquiao was actually able to keep this fight.

In the wake of these latest revelations of IV wrongdoing, Manny Pacquiao has publicly said that he now feels “vindicated” after years of being accused as the one playing dirty. Meanwhile, promoter Bob Arum is checking as to whether the pursuit of an overturning of the decision would be worth the effort.

All in all, though, it’s becoming clear that the entire game was rigged against Manny Pacquiao before he even stepped foot in the ring last May 2. It’s a shame, but maybe we all should’ve seen this coming.