Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: NSAC Must Punish Mayweather For IV Use!

[BrometheusBob.]

The more I look at that USADA page I quoted the more surprised I become that more emphasis isn't being put on the fact that it specifically states, in bold lettering, that prior TUE approval is required for IV saline/vitamins. Anyone who is saying that USADA didn't bend over for Mayweather with that retroactive exemption is kidding themselves.

[doom_specialist]

I know it hurts when it sinks in your favorite fighter is a cheat. I think most top guys are including Pac, but it must be extra humiliating when your guy is boxing's premier PED crusader, kinda like catchweights x10

He's not my favorite fighter. It just makes 0 sense that a highly reputable organization would back a guy on the way out of the door if he was indeed cheating. Furthermore, I'm not gonna say a guy is a cheater for 25 ounces of salt water and vitamins.

Did he act outside of NSAC rules? Sure, no one can deny that, but again he would have just went to the hospital, had the IV done anyway, and been within NSAC rules. Did he have an unfair advantage? Of course not, unless just being a plain better fighter than Pacquiao is an unfair advantage. Let's not act like the guy who hasn't been in an action fight since 2009 is somehow juicing please :/

[RaTaTa]

Shut up filipino fraud.



He did not have any shoulder problems while shadowboxing infront of people.

[doom_specialist]

The more I look at that USADA page I quoted the more surprised I become that more emphasis isn't being put on the fact that it specifically states, in bold lettering, that prior TUE approval is required for IV saline/vitamins. Anyone who is saying that USADA didn't bend over for Mayweather with that retroactive exemption is kidding themselves.

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Considering that there was less than 24 hours for Floyd to apply for it, and have USADA consider and approve it, I'm gonna go with option B, and possibly C. No bending over was necessary. Their rules are posted in plain sight, and no special considerations were made for Mayweather. Mayweather notified them of their intention to have the IV, they said it was OK, then he went through with it and got the approval at a later date.

[salitap4p#1]

Wow, imagine what Floyd was doing years back before testing became (slightly) more of a concern than it is now.

[b00g13man]

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Considering that there was less than 24 hours for Floyd to apply for it, and have USADA consider and approve it, I'm gonna go with option B, and possibly C. No bending over was necessary. Their rules are posted in plain sight, and no special considerations were made for Mayweather. Mayweather notified them of their intention to have the IV, they said it was OK, then he went through with it and got the approval at a later date.

It's all pretty straightforward when you actually put some thought into it. That's too much to ask these days though.

[HeroBando]

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Considering that there was less than 24 hours for Floyd to apply for it, and have USADA consider and approve it, I'm gonna go with option B, and possibly C. No bending over was necessary. Their rules are posted in plain sight, and no special considerations were made for Mayweather. Mayweather notified them of their intention to have the IV, they said it was OK, then he went through with it and got the approval at a later date.

That may be their general TUE policy, but apparently for IV rehydration its more stringent, since its a widely used masking agent. Heck they have a full page dedicated to it, they bolded the need for prior TUE, and dispute its medical value

http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibited-or-dangerous-for-athletes-using-iv-infusions-for-re-hydration-and-recovery/

[HeroBando]

He's not my favorite fighter. It just makes 0 sense that a highly reputable organization would back a guy on the way out of the door if he was indeed cheating. Furthermore, I'm not gonna say a guy is a cheater for 25 ounces of salt water and vitamins.

Did he act outside of NSAC rules? Sure, no one can deny that, but again he would have just went to the hospital, had the IV done anyway, and been within NSAC rules. Did he have an unfair advantage? Of course not, unless just being a plain better fighter than Pacquiao is an unfair advantage. Let's not act like the guy who hasn't been in an action fight since 2009 is somehow juicing please :/

Action fight = PEDs? Usadas track record in boxing is highly unreputable. 750ml is 15x the legal amount of a substance Armstrong used to beat drug tests for years. Cmon, who are you kidding?

[doom_specialist]

It's all pretty straightforward when you actually put some thought into it. That's too much to ask these days though.

The funniest thing about this is that people are saying this is a USADA issue/USADA is giving Mayweather preferential treatment, when the only rule that he broke was not applying for an NSAC TUE to have the IV administered at his house.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-ps-sn-usada-floyd-mayweather-iv-20150910-story.html

Bob Bennett's opinion, who is the Executive Director for the NSAC:

Bennett said he has no concerns Mayweather was working to mask drug use, saying the boxer "has always been an advocate of drug testing and has set a fine example for all fighters."

I think an IV done at home is going to be just as effective as an IV done at a hospital. If the guy is attempting to mask PEDs, where he got the IV done doesn't make a lick of difference. The NSAC doesn't have a limit on how much fluid can be administered also noted by:

"Yet, Bennett and commission Chairman Francisco Aguilar sharply disagree, explaining the Nevada commission has not adopted the World Anti-Doping Agency code***8217;s prohibited methods."

So it's either both the NSAC and USADA or showing Mayweather preferential treatment, or they're just treating a non-issue as a non-issue. I'll go with the latter. Pretty sure the NSAC knows Mayweather would have just went to a hospital anyway. He apparently has every rules commission in Nevada that deals with boxing, as well as one of the largest anti-doping organizations on the planet in his pocket, so what's a doctor or 2?

[doom_specialist]

Action fight = PEDs? Usadas track record in boxing is highly unreputable. 750ml is 15x the legal amount of a substance Armstrong used to beat drug tests for years. Cmon, who are you kidding?

15X the legal amount that he was granted a TUE for. I already posted USADA's TUE policy and highlighted the section that deals with retroactive exemptions. Saying "15X the legal amount" over and over doesn't change the fact that USADA was notified and approved of the IV. Who are you kidding?