Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[jas]

Earlier today on ESPN Radio Max and Marcellus

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losange...ay?id=13627009

Max talks about Floyd's Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio.

Avg white man 1.2 to 1 T/E.

Avg. black man 1.3 to 1 T/E.

WADA allows athletes to have T/E ratio as high as 4.0 to 1.

Floyd's T/E in previous tests was 0.69 to 1 and 0.8 to 1.

Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED use because it indicates "MASKING" to hide/lower high testosterone levels.

Men lie women lie numbers don't lie

[Calabis]

Men lie women lie numbers don't lie

I finally heard a portion of Kellerman. I'll use this example of Jon Jones...his levels are lower than Floyds, yet the CIR showed he was clean.....so what does that mean?

Jones had his T/E levels measured on three occasions -- an extra test was ordered because his first sample was diluted -- as part of out-of-competition drug testing ordered by the NAC. His ratio in the three tests were 0.29:1, 0.35:1 and 0.19:1, well below the normal ratio (1.3:1) for an average African-American male, according to Conte. In addition, Jones’ testosterone levels in those three tests were 1.8 ng/mL, 0.59 ng/mL and 4.9 ng/mL; the average level for a male is 61.3 ng/ML.

However, the NAC later revealed to MMAJunkie.com that Carbon Isotope Ratio testing was performed on each of Jones’ drug tests, including a pair of post-fight samples, and the results came back clean. Although the CIR tests would be able to detect if Jones had been using exogenous testosterone, Conte remains skeptical not only of the champion’s low overall levels, but of the great variance in Jones’ T/E ratios as well.

[hectari]

Close but not quite. The IV doesn't flush the steroid. It thins the blood. A testosterone test checks for 2 things. Density of free testosterone and Testosterone to epitestosterone.

To get your total free testosterone down you take a large IV to thin the blood since the test is a density (ng/ml) test the more you thin the blood with saline the more you lower the density of the testosterone in your blood. A quick IV administered right before a test will thin the blood enough to get a high testosterone density back into the normal range if its abnormally high due to taking synthetic testosterone. This is what Armstrong did amongst other tricks.

Good info.

[Calabis]

Close but not quite. The IV doesn't flush the steroid. It thins the blood. A testosterone test checks for 2 things. Density of free testosterone and Testosterone to epitestosterone.

To get your total free testosterone down you take a large IV to thin the blood since the test is a density (ng/ml) test the more you thin the blood with saline the more you lower the density of the testosterone in your blood. A quick IV administered right before a test will thin the blood enough to get a high testosterone density back into the normal range if its abnormally high due to taking synthetic testosterone. This is what Armstrong did amongst other tricks.

Question, so they said Jones test was watery and if you look his levels are crazy low. Yet he passed the CIR....how is that done....not being a smart ass, just wondering how.

[jaded]

No one cares about this.

Again its a non issue.

Have fun tomorrow

Actually...a quick glance at the postings and sports news and it seems that quite a lot of people care and it's an issue.

[jaded]

Question, so they said Jones test was watery and if you look his levels are crazy low. Yet he passed the CIR....how is that done....not being a smart ass, just wondering how.

He could have used altered testosterone. Balco's chemist used to pass a gas through off the shelf testosterone and alter the chemical composition enough that it was not detectable via the then relevant tests. That's how he created "the clear". Then he could have used IV saline to pass EPO testing.

[ADP02]

No one cares about this.

Again its a non issue.

Have fun tomorrow

Sure nobody cares about it(sarcasm). In a matter of days, several thousand posts have been posted on this subject and it was even made a sticky but to you, that translates to nobody. It's been on the news and even bumped NFL football yesterday to 2nd.

What most people are not enthusiastic about is tomorrows cherry picked fight.





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[Calabis]

He could have used altered testosterone. Balco's chemist used to pass a gas through off the shelf testosterone and alter the chemical composition enough that it was not detectable via the then relevant tests. That's how he created "the clear". Then he could have used IV saline to pass EPO testing.

So the CIR is not as important as Max is stressing then? Because Jones levels were crazy low and if he uses what you stated above he could still pass a CIR.

[Cinci Champ]

i won't argue.

don't know anything about this stuff.

but shouldn't athletes have higher testosterone than avg joe?

ya but not when they are almost 40 it be nice to know what other fighters his age are as well but has anyone noticed any former fighter that is not a promoter has not come out against mayweather at all? if they did i missed it but so far its been a bunch of hbo and top rank types if im not mistaken

[Cinci Champ]

Sure nobody cares about it(sarcasm). In a matter of days, several thousand posts have been posted on this subject and it was even made a sticky but to you, that translates to nobody. It's been on the news and even bumped NFL football yesterday to 2nd.

What most people are not enthusiastic about is tomorrows cherry picked fight.




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of course people care hes most hated athlete in sports even the smallest things are going to be blown up like he committed a homicide thats why u got to take this stuff with a grain of salt until more comes out so far tho there really is nothing