Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[jaded]

in the general population of healthy males not abusing steroids is <0.8%

That's not true...1.3 for black men. A below normal score like that is a red flag and is supposed to trigger a testosterone test to quantify blood testosterone...a $40 test that was never done. So much is out there to be read about this and now and there's is no excuse to make comments without reading it.

A) He did not comply with the rules for obtaining a TUE exemption....it was applied for and granted by USADA 18 days after the fight. USADA denied Manny a TUE for a pain killer before the fight because over a technicality...and under any circumstances the procedure cannot be done at home and never at the volume (750 ml) he did.

B) There is only one reason for IV saline of 750 ml...to circumvent the test analysis. A 750 ml IV saline infusion is in itself proof of cheating. No other reason for a guy who fights at 147 and walks around at maybe 150 to do it under any circumstances.

[I Love Jesus!]

Earlier today on ESPN Radio Max and Marcellus

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losange...ay?id=13627009

Max talks about Floyd's Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio.

Avg white man 1.2 to 1 T/E.

Avg. black man 1.3 to 1 T/E.

WADA allows athletes to have T/E ratio as high as 4.0 to 1.

Floyd's T/E in previous tests was 0.69 to 1 and 0.8 to 1.

Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED use because it indicates "MASKING" to hide/lower high testosterone levels.

Is anyone really surprised that he juices?

[Pretty Boy32]

Another baseless troll thread from Tua, please close this nonsense. Complete waste of time

[Calabis]

You should hit up Victor Conte on twitter I posted his article on Jon Jones he also mentioned Floyds strangely low test levels.

He will give you a breakdown about low levels, you have to take into account Race as well. White male, asian male, black male, black men in general have higher test levels than other males.

Floyds muscular body would be very difficult to gain or maintain with that lower level of testosterone.

Mayweather was rumored to have failed drug tests for three consecutive fights but was granted retroactive TUEs by USADA.

– Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

– Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

– USADA regularly does not submit information to the Nevada State Athletic Commission. For instance, the NSAC would not allow Pacquiao to receive a Toradol pain-killing injection prior to their May fight, but Floyd was granted a retroactive TUE that was applied for and granted two weeks after the fight.

– USADA saw Mayweather using an illegal IV a day before his fight with Pacquiao but did not notify the athletic commission about it until weeks after the fight. The IV could be used to dilute the blood and cover up PED use.

As we have learned many times in the past, the more guilty the party, the more vigorous the defense. Why has Mayweather been so outspoken about PEDs and accusing Pacquiao? Perhaps because he had something to hide. After all, remember Pacquiao said Mayweather was only using the drug testing talk as an alibi not to fight him. And maybe this is why Mayweather refused to sign a waiver that would have paid Pacquiao $5 million for a failed drug test.

Victor Conte is also su****ious of Manny Pacquiao on PEDS... I just looked up studies that state 0.8 is normal...when you get in Jon Jones levels it raises major su****ion

[M Bison]

Another baseless troll thread from Tua, please close this nonsense. Complete waste of time

Floydfans hate LIFE!!

[!! Shawn]

Victor Conte is also su****ious of Manny Pacquiao on PEDS... I just looked up studies that state 0.8 is normal...when you get in Jon Jones levels it raises major su****ion

Your lack of basic education is really quite funny.

First you confuse 0.8% of the population naturally having T/E ratios higher than 6/1 with most of the population having 0.8/1 T/E ratio... which they dont...

Then you start in with floyds is 0.8% which it also wasn't. The T/E Metric is expressed as a fraction, not a percent, and even if it was, your decimal point would be two places off.

But now you are trying to argue that you, the one that can't understand that information he quoted contradicts his argument, have read medical studies that say 0.8/1 is a normal T/E Ratio.

When... we have clearly established that you can read about as well as Floyd. Floyd is that you?

[!! Shawn]

That's not true...1.3 for black men. A below normal score like that is a red flag and is supposed to trigger a testosterone test to quantify blood testosterone...a $40 test that was never done. So much is out there to be read about this and now and there's is no excuse to make comments without reading it.

A) He did not comply with the rules for obtaining a TUE exemption....it was applied for and granted by USADA 18 days after the fight. USADA denied Manny a TUE for a pain killer before the fight because over a technicality...and under any circumstances the procedure cannot be done at home and never at the volume (750 ml) he did.

B) There is only one reason for IV saline of 750 ml...to circumvent the test analysis. A 750 ml IV saline infusion is in itself proof of cheating. No other reason for a guy who fights at 147 and walks around at maybe 150 to do it under any circumstances.

The test is actually to determine if there is synthetic testosterone or epitestosterone present in the samples, not to quantify the amount.

[GTTofAK]

Floyd's Test tested at around 7 ng/ml which is the high end of normal. Of course you can easily get back into the normal range by taking a fluid IV just before a drug test.

You have to do two things beat a testosterone test, that is not CIR. You have to take epitestesterone to get the Test/EpiTest ratio down and thin your blood out to get the testosterone concentration down to normal.

Floyd has been busted with both abnomrially low Test/EpiTest ratios and taking a fluid IV before a drug test.

To a ***** that is called a pure coincidence.

[Calabis]

Your lack of basic education is really quite funny.

First you confuse 0.8% of the population naturally having T/E ratios higher than 6/1 with most of the population having 0.8/1 T/E ratio... which they dont...

Then you start in with floyds is 0.8% which it also wasn't. The T/E Metric is expressed as a fraction, not a percent, and even if it was, your decimal point would be two places off.

But now you are trying to argue that you, the one that can't understand that information he quoted contradicts his argument, have read medical studies that say 0.8/1 is a normal T/E Ratio.

When... we have clearly established that you can read about as well as Floyd. Floyd is that you?

Unless I'm reading thiswrong, does that not say:

Incidence-occurrence/rate

Urinary-Piss test

general population--assume avg person living

of healthy males-which I assume a professional athlete is

NOT abusing steroids--means not taking them

is 0.8 or greater

The overall incidence of urinary T/E in the general population of healthy males not abusing steroids is <0.8%, as evaluated by Catlin and Hatton (5) and confirmed by Dehennin (4). In general, the increase of the T/E ratio after high-dose T administration results from increased T excretion and a decrease of E output (6). However, some athletes have produced false-positives, i.e., T/E ratios with subsequent verification that no exogenous T had been administered (7). Dehennin and Matsumoto (6) indicated that this problem could be reduced by taking into account the sulfate excretions of E (ES) in the ratio T/(ES + E), the relevant threshold being 2.85. Accordingly, Dehennin (4) suggested that using a T/(ES + E) ratio of ***8805;3.0 would be a more sensitive marker of covert T use.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/449619/Jones-sample-was-in-fact-CIR-tested-nothing-su****ious-found/

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Says a Floyd fan.

The rest of us know better and see thru your BS.

Floyd and those related to the story such as USADA are going to have a rough time of it ........

No one cares about this.

Again its a non issue.

Have fun tomorrow