Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[animalfan10]

i won't argue.

don't know anything about this stuff.

but shouldn't athletes have higher testosterone than avg joe?

Originally Yes....but after a long brutal 10-20 year career...No


Stress/Damage to the brain kills your Testosterone and overall hormonal production...And no sports involves more of those 2 (Stress and Brain Damage) than Boxing/MMA.....

I don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing...It just proves that getting punched in the head for a living and being under extreme stress is not a healthy thing for ones boy....

The Human Body is not designed for long term combat over a span of 10+ years....

[radioraheem]

I don't think so...I think you're referring to this...

That was a false start to the what never came off in 2009. Kellerman was adamant that no CIR test were done when Mayweather's IV should have been a red flag for the 2015 fight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28...09-boxing-news

Sorry, but USADA has been doing CIR testing on every sample for Mayweather bouts. They've publicly released this information since at least Mayweather vs. Cotto.

[madsweeney]

Sorry, but USADA has been doing CIR testing on every sample for Mayweather bouts. They've publicly released this information since at least Mayweather vs. Cotto.

Oh really? Cool, link please, that'd be some interesting reading. Can't seem to find it on my own and I've been searching a while.

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

cheater floyd will have no legacy to speak of.

[torosboxing75]

Originally Yes....but after a long brutal 10-20 year career...No


Stress/Damage to the brain kills your Testosterone and overall hormonal production...And no sports involves more of those 2 (Stress and Brain Damage) than Boxing/MMA.....

I don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing...It just proves that getting punched in the head for a living and being under extreme stress is not a healthy thing for ones boy....

The Human Body is not designed for long term combat over a span of 10+ years....

Sounds like a good read. Link please!

[ganthet]

Originally Yes....but after a long brutal 10-20 year career...No


Stress/Damage to the brain kills your Testosterone and overall hormonal production...And no sports involves more of those 2 (Stress and Brain Damage) than Boxing/MMA.....

I don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing...It just proves that getting punched in the head for a living and being under extreme stress is not a healthy thing for ones boy....

The Human Body is not designed for long term combat over a span of 10+ years....

LMAO so are Froid **** riders now spewing the BS that Froid is some ring warrior who goes toe-to-toe and stands and trades punches with his opponent thereby causing him so much stress and brain damage to have that much low testosterone? This is comedic gold!

I thought Froid was one of the boxers that hasn't taken that much hits from his opponents? Not to mention that he also took a break in-between his career to fake "retire" just to avoid his competition? And yet he still took so much damage from that? LOL!

[BrometheusBob.]

I don't think so...I think you're referring to this...

Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports explains:

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said all terms had been agreed upon when Mayweather demanded random Olympic-style blood and urine testing to scan for performance enhancing drugs. Arum said he recalls the date as being around Dec. 10, 2009, though he said he isn't certain.

That type of testing was not being done in boxing at the time and Arum said he, trainer Freddie Roach and Pacquiao were ignorant of what it entailed. After much back and forth, Pacquiao ultimately declined to participate in the testing.

...

"Manny said there had to be a period of time before the fight where they will stop the testing. We negotiated that and we had an agreement on that and Mayweather walked away from it."

That part was well-documented. What slipped through the cracks to a degree was that Pacquiao and Mayweather were actually randomly tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission during the negotiations.

But Keith Kizer, then the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, didn't give up hope. He ordered surprise urine tests on both men, which were taken on Dec. 30, 2009.

Both men passed the surprise tests, though they did not test blood or perform a carbon isotope ratio test on either man.

That was a false start to the what never came off in 2009. Kellerman was adamant that no CIR test were done when Mayweather's IV should have been a red flag for the 2015 fight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/4/28...09-boxing-news

According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man gave 11 urine and eight blood samples. Among the special analyses given to the samples were Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (CIR/IRMS) testing as well as tests to detect usage of EPO and human growth hormone.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...ory&soc_trk=tw

I think Max Kellerman might be in the wrong on this one.

EDIT: I am specifically discussing the testing for Mayweather/Pacquiao, this does not prove anything about how any other fights were tested.

[Unseen]

The top fighters don't get tired. You hardly hear that tiredness is what makes them lose.

I would not be surprised if they all cheated and cycled off drugs or something different to perform better. They wouldn't take things if they didn't.

In fact I would not be surprised if all the past greats cheated

[Spoon23]

http://boxingtribune-news.com/posts/...candal-proves-

the-deck-was-stacked-against-manny-pacquiao-in-mega-fight--mayweather-iv-scandal-proves-it.html


By Dennis Cruz

Recent revelations are giving us a clear picture of the type of uneven playing field Manny Pacquiao faced when he met Floyd Mayweather last May 2 in the biggest money fight of all-time.

A report by veteran boxing writer Thomas Hauser alleges that Mayweather was discovered receiving a prohibited intravenous procedure in his home after the May 1 weigh-in and that he was given a medical exemption for the procedure by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) almost three weeks after the bout. Pacquiao and his team were also only notified about three weeks after the fight that Mayweather had undergone the IV treatment.

Now, while there’s the possibility that the IV treatment could’ve been used to mask or dilute a banned substance in Mayweather’s body, there’s also the possibility that the two intravenous mixes of saline and vitamins were just there to help the fighter rehydrate. But the real troubling aspect of this whole mess is that it shows how hostile the atmosphere was for Manny Pacquiao. It’s clear that the Filipino icon was put at every possible disadvantage while Mayweather did as he pleased, when he pleased, with complete and total impunity.

While USADA tripped all over themselves to accommodate Mayweather’s borderline illicit intravenous practices—after the fact—the same agency nixed Pacquiao’s request for a pain-killing injection of Toradol for his ailing shoulder prior to the bout, citing paper work issues and a lack of time to properly investigate the requested drug. One wonders what would’ve happened had Pacquiao taken the shot without asking permission and whether the agency would’ve been as accommodating of after-the-fact medical exemptions when the request was coming from Pacquiao.

Information in Hauser’s article shows us just how stacked the deck was against Pacquiao when it came to the overall testing protocol—allowing Mayweather loopholes and possibilities to game the system at will.

From drug testing to all the minor details of the fight, Pacquiao was working at an extreme disadvantage throughout the entire ordeal. Add an injured shoulder to the mix and one has to marvel at how close Pacquiao was actually able to keep this fight.

In the wake of these latest revelations of IV wrongdoing, Manny Pacquiao has publicly said that he now feels “vindicated” after years of being accused as the one playing dirty. Meanwhile, promoter Bob Arum is checking as to whether the pursuit of an overturning of the decision would be worth the effort.

All in all, though, it’s becoming clear that the entire game was rigged against Manny Pacquiao before he even stepped foot in the ring last May 2. It’s a shame, but maybe we all should’ve seen this coming.

[pasawayako]

hahaha. bad news everywhere to froid fans. hahaha