Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Zaroku]

Did the fight happen right away? Nope.
The only reason it happened was that time made it happen. The lawsuit happened, they fought, agreed to a settlement, Floyd apologized, Manny got KOd, Floyd thought Manny was finally beatable then 5+ years later, it finally happened.


Time is no longer on their side for all that drama.

All subjective analysis. I try to avoid broad speculation. It happened, in my opinion 8 - 4 Floyd

Best case 7 - 5 Floyd.

You guys who care can factor in the slow motion criteria, that judges don't use.
Yet his win for me will always have, an, "I never heard of an ex post facto TUE"!

[Spoon23]

I got a draft with updates that NSAC plans on making. They had found everything Floyd/USADA did unacceptable and making sure that even a Floyd fan can understand it.

NSAC calls a retroactive TUE ..... BS because it bans it altogether.

This alone clears up how to get a TUE. This is very disturbing. It shows NSAC allowing Floyd doesn't conform to their own strict guidelines.


NAC 467.558 The****utic use exemptions must be approved by the Commission (NRS 467.030)
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All applications for a the****utic use exemption must be submitted and approved by the Commission at least 7 days in advance of any contest if practicable or immediately upon prescribed need before the contest.


Isn't it that Nsac was adviced 3 weeks after the contest?

No where near 7 days in advance of a contest?

[ADP02]

All subjective analysis. I try to avoid broad speculation. It happened, in my opinion 8 - 4 Floyd

Best case 7 - 5 Floyd.

You guys who care can factor in the slow motion criteria, that judges don't use.
Yet his win for me will always have, an, "I never heard of an ex post facto TUE"!

True we see what judges and fans might not see at first look. Its part of what makes it interesting.

We get to see it from several angles sometimes.


Same here.
- 146 weigh in,
- drinks up maybe a liter, maybe more. That makes it 148 maybe even 149.
- Eat? For sure. Floyd said he ate a lot.
- Floyd came in on fight night at 149

Yet required an IV?

[original zero]

This alone clears up how to get a TUE. This is very disturbing. It shows NSAC allowing Floyd doesn't conform to their own strict guidelines.

What sinks your entire argument though is that IV didn't require TUE in Nevada.

And you know that. So you're just repeatedly lying to the community.

[ADP02]

What sinks your entire argument though is that IV didn't require TUE in Nevada.

And you know that. So you're just repeatedly lying to the community.

According to NSAC, they say that they are the sole authority on approving TUEs and found it "unacceptable" that USADA tried to think that they can in the state of Nevada. Not my words but the NSAC's words.

So technically, since Floyd was not approved by the right people. Floyd used an illegal method.

Plus, let me know when an athlete that you represent, wants an IV because after a workout, he lost a few pounds.

[Spoon23]

What sinks your entire argument though is that IV didn't require TUE in Nevada.

And you know that. So you're just repeatedly lying to the community.

These are NSAC guidelines which resides in NEVADA.

This alone clears up how to get a TUE. This is very disturbing. It shows NSAC allowing Floyd doesn't conform to their own strict guidelines.


NAC 467.558 The****utic use exemptions must be approved by the Commission (NRS 467.030)
1.
All applications for a the****utic use exemption must be submitted and approved by the Commission at least 7 days in advance of any contest if practicable or immediately upon prescribed need before the contest.


Isn't it that Nsac was adviced 3 weeks after the contest?

No where near 7 days in advance of a contest?

[original zero]

According to NSAC, they say that they are the sole authority on approving TUEs and found it "unacceptable" that USADA tried to think that they can in the state of Nevada. Not my words but the NSAC's words.

So technically, since Floyd was not approved by the right people. Floyd used an illegal method.

Plus, let me know when an athlete that you represent, wants an IV because after a workout, he lost a few pounds.

NSAC publicly postured that it was "unacceptable" for USADA to not immediately alert them. USADA's response was that it unnecessary to immediately alert them since IV use was already 100% legal in Nevada without a TUE.

Clearly NSAC was trying to save face because the inaccuracies in Hauser's article made NSAC look really bad. Public relations 101 in that instance is to issue a strongly worded statement that shifts blame and ultimately means nothing. Which is exactly what they did.

USADA has no authority to exempt someone from an NSAC rule, but they weren't exempting anyone from an NSAC rule. They were exempting them from a USADA rule.

This is very simple common sense stuff that has been explained to you many times. You're choosing to remain ignorant. It is 100% absolute fact that IV was legal in Nevada with no permission or TUE necessary, which is why NSAC confirmed that Floyd did nothing wrong.

And you're damn right that I've advised fighters to use IV to rehydrate. I'd say 90% of top fighters were rehydrating via IV after weigh-ins. It was standard procedure.

[ADP02]

NSAC publicly postured that it was "unacceptable" for USADA to not immediately alert them. USADA's response was that it unnecessary to immediately alert them since IV use was already 100% legal in Nevada without a TUE.

Clearly NSAC was trying to save face because the inaccuracies in Hauser's article made NSAC look really bad. Public relations 101 in that instance is to issue a strongly worded statement that shifts blame and ultimately means nothing. Which is exactly what they did.

USADA has no authority to exempt someone from an NSAC rule, but they weren't exempting anyone from an NSAC rule. They were exempting them from a USADA rule.

This is very simple common sense stuff that has been explained to you many times. You're choosing to remain ignorant. It is 100% absolute fact that IV was legal in Nevada with no permission or TUE necessary, which is why NSAC confirmed that Floyd did nothing wrong.

And you're damn right that I've advised fighters to use IV to rehydrate. I'd say 90% of top fighters were rehydrating via IV after weigh-ins. It was standard procedure.

It has nothing to do about IVs being legal or not.

Its about where do you go to make the request for a TUE? and who approves a TUE in Nevada? The NSAC has said that they are the sole authority when it comes to handing out TUE approvals. Again, they told publically several times now to USADA to stop it and said its no longer an anomaly once its happened multiple times. So NSAC is telling USADA to completely stop approving in Nevada. Its not hard to understand.

From what I see (got a draft), the NSAC is amending their rules so that it becomes clear.


90%? Be honest,
How many was for just a few pounds of fluctuation?
How many got a TUE?
How many got a retroactive TUE?



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[original zero]

ADP -

NSAC is the sole authority for issuing exemptions to NSAC rules.

An NSAC exemption for IV was not needed because IV was 100% legal in Nevada with no special permission or TUE required.

You've been told this over and over. You just choose to remain ignorant.

If IV is 100% legal and a TUE isn't needed, then NSAC's protocol for applying for a TUE is irrelevant since you don't need one.

I don't personally know a single fighter that wasn't using IV to rehydrate after weigh-in. For any amount of fluctuation. That is how professionals rehydrated. Why wouldn't you?

None needed TUE or retroactive TUE because IV was 100% legal in Nevada. I mean seriously. How are you struggling with this still?

IV WAS NOT ILLEGAL IN NEVADA. A TUE WAS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IV WAS 100% LEGAL.

[ADP02]

ADP -

NSAC is the sole authority for issuing exemptions to NSAC rules.

An NSAC exemption for IV was not needed because IV was 100% legal in Nevada with no special permission or TUE required.

You've been told this over and over. You just choose to remain ignorant.

If IV is 100% legal and a TUE isn't needed, then NSAC's protocol for applying for a TUE is irrelevant since you don't need one.

I don't personally know a single fighter that wasn't using IV to rehydrate after weigh-in. For any amount of fluctuation. That is how professionals rehydrated. Why wouldn't you?

None needed TUE or retroactive TUE because IV was 100% legal in Nevada. I mean seriously. How are you struggling with this still?

IV WAS NOT ILLEGAL IN NEVADA. A TUE WAS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IV WAS 100% LEGAL.

NSAC, NOT ME, SAID THAT USADA CANNOT APPROVE TUE'S IN NEVADA. RIGHT?

NSAC, NOT ME, SAID THAT USADA NEEDS TO STOP APPROVING TUE'S IN NEVADA. RIGHT?

LOGICALLY, IF USADA NO LONGER CAN, THEN WHO CAN? OH YES, NSAC SAID SEND REQUESTS TO THEM.

Even if a TUE is not directly related to NSAC rules, they still need to get the approval by NSAC for a TUE. Again, they are the sole authority for approving TUEs in Nevada. Did I say this? NO!!! NSAC said this!


AS stated, they are currently making it doubly clear that this must be the case going forward. they told this to USADA several times in the past, and they are making it clear so people like Floyd cannot try to find a loophole by updating their rules and regulations.

not hard to understand.


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